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SCTY has a pretty good run this week. I was too late to place an option. We'll see tomorrow. 

The purpose of a covered call is buying some insurance on the position of currently at $86. A covered call 28Mar SCTY@85 has a premium of $7.15 .

If SCTY closes on 28Mar btween $85 to $93.15, the option will be called and the option and position closed. I would receive $85 for the stock and ask price of $7.15 of Feb 28 or the equivalent $93.15.  

If SCTY closes above $93.15, say $95; I would have given up $1.75 in the option play. 

If SCTY  closes at $85, stock will be called (settled/sold) for which I recieved $7.15

 

If $78.85  , I would breakeven. (78.85+7.15=$86) if I sell the shares. If anything below $85, the option will expire with the shares Not being sold (generally) and I keep the shares and the option premium.

If below $78.85, I would be losing money until I sold the shares. 

You see that I protected my gains down to $78.85 but limited my gains to $93.15 . I am mildly bullish but SCTY is near its high and has a propensity of falling dramatically. It also has 18% short interest

My original cost is $76



-- Edited by longprime on Thursday 27th of February 2014 06:23:46 PM



-- Edited by longprime on Thursday 27th of February 2014 06:31:03 PM

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So I guess you own the scty stock and sold a itm call which means that the stock price was higher than the strike price, why would you do this?  I can see doing this for a call spread where you are playing the time value differential between the deeper itm call that you bought vs the other call that you sold but I see no reason to do this if you own the stock unless you think it is going to drop in value.  I don't think this is a good idea but I've been known to be wrong.



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Color indicates options that are in-the-money icn_NS.gif Indicates non-standard option
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SCTY Mar 28 201429 Days to Expiration(Weeklys)
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 84.0 Call 7.35 7.65 7.55 0.10 1 12 
 85.0 Call 6.85 7.15 6.99 0.04 43 112 
 86.0 Call 6.40 6.70 6.54 0.29 6 38 
 87.0 Call 6.00 6.20 6.57 0.27 15 68 
 88.0 Call 5.55
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 84.0 Put 5.35 5.55 7.20 0.00 0 62 
 85.0 Put 5.85 6.05 5.90 -0.40 6 72 
 86.0 Put 6.40 6.60 6.40 -1.50 2 21 
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I guess I'm not certain what you're doing.  You own scty and you are writing calls against your position?  or do you have a call spread?  Why are you selling itm calls?



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I think I am going to do covered calls, near itm, 1 month out. SCTY was 88 this a.m. pacific time. Closed 84. The entire West is lacking snow pack  for water storage -> steady and peaking electricity, which means nat gas turbines and wind will be used. Gas turbine, gas fired steam plants, and wind may be insufficient so people will be scrabbling for solar. 



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Yes it is difficult to stay in a high momemtum and volatile stock like tesla.  The market seems to be having difficulty breaking through the 1850 level.  Which way do you think it will go from here?  Up or down and how are you planning on dealing with it?



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TSLA. TSLA. TSLA. I got out TSLA a while ago. Was thinking about back in 170 but baulked because the target price was about 200. Feb 25 up $35/40 and Feb 26 up again $5/10.  SCTY up in sympathy 10%. 

IMO, tsla is now a battery play. Battery storage could be a huge benefit to solar. 



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Commodity futures: JP4/kerosene/diesel/FuelOil, Refiners,  and for outlier  me, Solar companies.

Our beach house and mom's house are in Cooperatives/PUD with $0.065/kwh. so alternative heating energy has to be cheap in comparison. Our PUD/Cooperative/InvestorOwned electric cos are/were pushing   hard for PNW consumers to heatpumps, biofuel. and NG for heating and ho****er. Why-Because heatpumps are 3x more efficient than resistant heat and because most of WestCoast populated areas have very few days below 38 and mostly in 40-50's in the winter. Woodpellets could come into greater usage because of its simplicity. -

BUY pellets. http://pelletheat.org/pellets/compare-fuel-costs/

The DOE has a equivalent energy chart-calculator to compare energy vs cost/btu. 

SciAm, april 2013. Energy: EROI. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/eroi-behind-numbers-energy-return-investment/



-- Edited by longprime on Thursday 20th of February 2014 11:11:53 PM

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Do you have any idea how to hedge the cost of home heating oil in the financial markets?  Still in aapl and expect to do well.



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Pellet stove. The beach has HomeDepot/Englander brand stove. http://www.homedepot.com/p/Englander-1-500-sq-ft-Pellet-Stove-25-PDVCH/203485650 . It is a bit small for the 1400 sf house and I would recommend a size larger. The beauty of pellets is that you may still get a tax credit, a green resource, low pollution, domestic, and you control usage.  Propane could work but its efficiency decreases at subfreezing NE temperatures.  The big box stores are seasonally closing out pellet stoves. You may get a big discount if you shop.



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No - in New England where many use heating oil instead of natural gas.  I don't have the option of converting it to natural gas as there are not any gas lines where I live.  One of my houses does have gas heat however.



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Out of APPL, 2 days too late. Talking head at CNBC said that aapl should not have bought shares back (aka activist) but should have bought a company aka FB. He called aapl "Stodgy".  Made ~1% for ~30 days. For me AAPL ties up too much capital. 



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#2 aka fuel oil/diesel. 

where do you live? NYC?

Move to an area that has ng availability.  Several years ago I converted Mom's house to a heatpump but below 38, still burn oil. Family's beach house we have baseboard heat and wood insert fireplace that id getting very dangerous to use because of chimney issues-I added a wood pellet freestanding stove for the asthetic value- should have put in a propane unit.  Both propane and pellets have stable pricing. I bought propane MLP awhile ago but the pricing then was too stable, being consolidated  and the distribution companies controlled by just a few people. 



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I'm not certain what is meant by #2 oil.  I'm not short oil, I heat with oil and it is now costing me $1000 a month.



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You shorted #2 oil? 



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Anybody have good ideas as to how to hedge against higher heating oil prices - I'm getting crushed with the cost of oil.



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Plenty of NG around and near to its primary use. Trouble is PA/NY/OH gas is still in the ground, processing facilities are insufficient, not enough pipelines  to the major seaboard cities all because of low prices. The oil pipeline is a false argument in comparison to the slow building of pipelines in New Jersey thence to NYC. It's all politics-who's in power and who's not.  Consolidated Ed would love Nat Gas over coal and oil. 



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You are right so far. Nat Gas has gone up and I am getting killed. Oh well. It's just money. My trades are usually a few days so the long term trend isn't that significant to me. I'm more interested in seasonal changes. I short nat gas using futures.

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I am long nat gas as evident in my NWN holdings. IMO ng is going to go up in price because demand  and abundance. GL.



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How do you short natural gas  - do you use futures?  I do miss the good old investment discussions in cc!



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I shorted Nat gas at 5.24 and now I hear another storm is coming. Oh no. I figured this last one was the last one for the season and nat gas will go down. I may have to wait longer before the short pays off.

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http://www.statesmanjournal.com/viewart/20140212/UPDATE/302120092/How-did-Oregon-Olympiad-Jacqueline-Wiles-fare-Olympic-Women-s-Downhill-

This is Jackie's rookie year, and was only selected to the Olympic team in Dec 2013.  Looking  for the Super G later in schedule.



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Trying to figure out my exit strategy for AAPL. If it hits, 545, it is a 4.5% gain. This gain is OK but I am beginning to feel  the risk/reward is not so good. I guess if I look at this as a momentum play and buy low-sell high game, AAPL is OK--but it ties up soo much capital. 



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I bought more aapl today.  I have more than I usually would feel comfortable with but hey its only money, what else are you going to do with it?



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I bought some Apple too. Wish I would have bought more, it's going up pretty quick. Someone on cc made a comment awhile ago that Apple seems to often overestimate their earnings, and the stock crashed after they post lower than expected earnings. I did keep that in mind when I bought some.

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We is it that the companies I want to hold drop and the speculative companies that sold rise? Hate TSLA, Hate BGS-I need to buy some Mrs Dash. 



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My breakeven on some of my aapl shares is 491.18 and on the other shares - 518.6.  I'm pretty confident about the 491 shares as I think there is a floor around 500 - especially after the aapl stock buyback around that price.  I think the market is going to go back to its old highs and then some.  Perhaps after that there will be another selloff.  I like to be a contrarian.  There seem to be a lot of "professionals" LOL! who think that the market will end up between 5 - 10%.  Based on this, I think it will be either down big or up big.  I'm betting that by the end of the year, it will be up big as the economic numbers are improving and I don't see a recession to get the market down big.



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I don't understand NWN and PCG. Both +4.2% yields, regulated and with gas price recovery. NWN has underground gas storage and well known in buying cheap in the summer and selling high in the winter. If I can get out of AAPL, I'm going to do more of NWN and not look for 6 months..



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Well you can see there is resistance around 570 - 575 on a chart if you are so inclined to believe in technical analysis.  I  also bought FB, SPY and BAC a few days ago.  We'll see what happens over the next few weeks.



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AAPL-I am finally $54 in the black. Heard the CNBC analyst target AAPL at 575 but I think I will start liquidating at  my first buy, $550. This will give me a yield of 5.7%  (ignoring any divs), which really is not worth the risk/reward. 



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I've been buying aapl also.  I bought some the other day around 500 and some more today around 520.  AAPL is viewed as a stodgy company with not much in the way of prospects for high growth unlike a company like google.  Its smartphones are expensive and in markets which are saturated.  The future high growth areas such as China and India already have cheap phones as (Samsung is finding out) and there is tremendous competition in the lower end phones in these areas.  Investors do not expect that aapl can compete in this area or if they do, the margins are going to be severely compressed.  In general, investors view aapl as a company with its best days behind it and with no earth shattering products in the pipeline.  I still think it can at least retest the 575 range and that's why I'm playing it.



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Briefly ahead this am on AAPL.  Probly the last time I am getting into AAPL-this co has a good dividend, pretty good innovation, good product line, repeat business, smart people, lots of cash and income stream. Why isn't this company worth more.???

BTW-Olympics Opening Ceremony today-Look for Jackie Wiles (downhill). Before she was born we took her grandmother on  crabbing in one of our local bays-My mom freaked out when she saw Janey pulling up the crab trap wearing a 3carat diamond ring.  Alas Janey, has dementia and my mom is invalid.



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What else are you trading besides besides the futures you've listed?  Are you holding on to your other positions or have you lightened up?



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This cold weather sucks except that I have been trading nat gas futures like crazy. They go up 10 percent and then crash back down. I have used limited orders to short and then wait for the contract to collapse. I have made about five or six trades and all have been profitable which is not something I can say for my emini trades.



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Hope everyone was betting for Seattle. 2minutes left in 3rd. 35-0. Seahawks-Paul Allen. 



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I put risk reward heavily towards the reward - very small potential loss with much greater gain potential.   I also try to make certain that the odds for winning a trade are heavily weighted towards winning.



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"I don't know or for that matter most of the time as to when to buy either" smile\

My method is  

 



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I don't follow Carter Worth and his worthless technical analysis using 86.5 day or maybe 77.629 day simple, exponential mvgs, head and shoulders, wedges or perhaps wedgies.

"so when do you sell?"  - I don't know or for that matter most of the time as to when to buy either

A valuable lesson - Icahn said a few days before aapl reported that it was a no brainer.  If he can't time it when he can call Tim Cook when he wants, what does that tell you?



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john doe wrote:

If we can get down 10% or more I may become fully invested.  I've been waiting a year.


 Same here.  If it drops a lot, I will go 100 percent invested.  

 

Carter Worth says the S&P will be going to the 1600s soon.  I doubt it, but if it happens I will go 100 percent invested and possibly leveraged depending on what month it happens.



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So when do you sell?



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I more than make up for it when the market goes down.  As long as the market goes down - I always beat it.



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I've noticed. Your lost Opportunity Cost must be very large. confuse



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If we can get down 10% or more I may become fully invested.  I've been waiting a year.



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VA's are fully invested. Look yesterday and they are about 3% below the lockin value of Nov-Dec. and equal to value of Sept-Oct 2013.  

Have maybe 10% cash in trading accounts having bought NWN on weakness and true to form, NWN is up on 01/30. I am at even today and if I can get another 100-150 basis plus 46 basis from divs, I will be very happy on next couple of weeks.  I have been buying AAPL to average my costs down (521). I have never done well with aapl even though I have never bought anywhere near the top. 



-- Edited by longprime on Thursday 30th of January 2014 11:43:08 PM

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Yesterday, I bought some spy and today bac.  The market is getting quite interesting for me these days.  What percentage cash are you folks holding?  Are you layering in as the market drops?



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Jackie Wiles, has made the US Olympic Alpine Ski Team, Sochi 2014. Jackie is a grand-daughter of my dentist (passed) and Jane Wiles (D-Day Nurse). Let's cheer her on. Congradulations, Jackie. 

#20.  http://www.nbcolympics.com/photos/meet-us-olympic-alpine-team 



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I own some aapl - fortunately not to much.  I may buy some more tomorrow.  It doesn't pay to bet against Carl.



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Bought AAPL after close NY close and after announcement. 

presently 01/27/2014, NWN, has a 4.4% return. Typically jumps when it goes exdiv, about 60-75 basis pts. and stays there until divs are distributed. I can get the price jump and the divs with fairly low risk. A lower price means there could be a bigger price bump later. I can also sell after ex-div and collect the dividends but free up money for new opportunities. If I can make $100/quarter on each block ($400/yr) plus the 186 in dividends= 13.6% return if the fair average price is $43/sh. If I am patient and watch, sometimes the NWN will go to 45 and I will make another ~5%+ . 



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Was the report really so bad as to support that drop? I wonder what Carl Ichan is thinking?

I'm thinking of writing a naked put or two on AAPL. Maybe if it drops to 480.

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Did you buy aapl after the close?  Why did you want nwn to drop?



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