Political & Elections

catahoula · Guru

RE: Carville get out much... you think?

john doe · Guru

Spoken like a true Republican! The party needs to get real.

poetgrl · Senior Member

I don't disagree with you, which is why it is so damned frustrating when the party runs someone like Santorum who does not even believe in birth control, when they vote the Blount amendment, when they have so many men acting like Rape is unimportant and requiring women to get an intravaginal ultrasound to get a first trimester abortion.

The abortion until viability crowd is too extreme, but anybody who wants to bar abortion in the first trimester is big government in a bad way, in my opinion.

But these are not the only women problems the party has. There is equal pay. There was the no votes on the anti violence bill.

There are such boneheaded religiously motivated positions, the current POPE is left of our currrent conservatives.

So, if we don't have a fiscally responsible party, which also believes I get to have access to birth control and reasonable rights to termination, then we have a bad situation. No GOP presidential candidate has won the majority with women voters in 5 elections. 40% of actual voters are single women and they do not vote for the GOP and I can't see any reason why they would.

The history of the GOP is such a sad turn. Up until the early 70s they were pro woman. Why they freaked out and slowly committed to the white male was probably politically motivated at one point. Demographics, donations? whatnot. It's a horrible strategy now. The religious right is out of touch with most of America. As long as they continue to run the GOP, you will never see another republican president in the white house. Of this I'm sure.

And it bugs me. I think we need fiscally conservative leaders. I just don't understand what on earth that has to do with my uterus.

catahoula · Guru

We can argue who's got the biggest budget busting congressman or whether GW's dead hand made democrats throw stimulus bucks around and float the stock market all day long, poetgrl, but...

Entitlement reform is going to happen over one party's dead body, leaving enhanced tax policy as the only out for those single issue women and their kids. Me, I'm simple enough to believe jacking taxes up, in whatever new and special way its done, isn't going to better employment chances for anyone not in the industries promoted at the moment.

Five years, a whole lotta money, and so few people in the labor force it makes me scared for my kids. Ice that off with the democrat push for European style work weeks (doesn't matter what their intentions were but since they're in denial about the part-time thing, they own it) and I think they can kiss a bluish-white collar type of job and retirement goodbye.

hope · Guru

Didn't mean to be insulting. :)

I personally doubt very much Hillary will win the Romney woman vote, especially as I doubt very much Hillary will win the nomination.

-- Edited by hope on Thursday 24th of October 2013 08:07:19 PM

poetgrl · Senior Member

I'm a married woman. I think it's insulting to call it a meme.

The issue conservatives face with women are going to get more challenging. Less and less women are getting married, or staying married, for that matter.

Statements like, "Some women rape easy" can be seen as a war on women. But, it's not a war on women. Conservatives have a woman problem.

No matter how many married woman voted for Romney, Obama won because of the female vote. single women make up 40% of the actual voters in this country. Think about that.

But, if Hillary gets the nomination? She will win the Romney woman vote.

-- Edited by poetgrl on Thursday 24th of October 2013 07:57:48 PM

hope · Guru

Married women typically vote Republican, and Romney beat out Obama with married women by 14 pts.

That's kind of interesting.

Are married women not by and large buying into the "War on Women" meme then? If not, why not?

-- Edited by hope on Thursday 24th of October 2013 07:45:32 PM

catahoula · Guru

Maybe women do spell the doom of the GOP but, while they're feeling better about themselves for voting unlimited reproductive freedom, I wonder if they'll remember to hide their money out in the yard under a rock. Hate to see them hit old age and expect their perpetually unemployed kids to buy their groceries and cable.

I've always been told single issue voting was a bad thing, generally.

SamuraiLandshark · Guru

Poetgirl,

welcome to the Libertarian Party.

poetgrl · Senior Member

That's the problem with one dimensional thinking.

Why on earth do you think I think Obamacare is great?

I don't.

What I do think is that if I don't have choice over my body, all the other choices do not matter. We've seen this in all historical contexts and in all places where women don't have reproductive freedom.

If 'conservatives' would just get the religious right agenda out of their politics? They would have a chance with a lot of us who see this whole big government movement as ridiculous. But, instead they want it both ways.

To sum up: I believe in smaller government. I want less regulation, less taxation, less intervention into my diet or smoking or choices, and I also want to be able to make choices about what to do with my body. Obviously, it starts with my body. I can't start anywhere else.

Neither party has shown any ability to stop spending. All of them are owned by the big banks. Niether party wants me to have personal choice or freedom. Both want me to give up my personal freedom for my alleged "safety."

It's barely even a choice between the two anyway, but the small government lie is a bigger lie, to me, as a woman.

You'll see. Watch the next election.

Intrepid1 · Veteran Member

poetgrl wrote:
But, anyone who wants to put the government in my uterus wants a government WAY too big for me.

Yeah....right.

One word - Obamacare. More than your uterus will be involved.

Always interesting that the left-thinking side of America claims they want "choice" when it comes to abortion and no government involvement (stay out of my bedroom). However they go completely orgasmic when a massively bloated, IRS-enforced, financially straining, highly subsidized (read income redistribution) POS legislation (ACA...which appears is not all that affordable for a growing number of the population) was rammed down the throats of America.

Said legislation is not really about providing affordable health care coverage (which is not the same as the actual rendering of care), but is rather about control....and that control will involve and impact everyone's health decisions (all of them, not just reproduction) into the future.

So much for being "pro-choice".

Hypocrisy on parade.

poetgrl · Senior Member

Yes. Well, I'm not sure reproductive freedom represents only one thing, but that's an idea, too.

Since my children both happen to be young women, this isn't just my issue anyway.

However, I'll bite. In what exact way would I actually benefit financially from a conservative house of representatives?

This is if I am upper middle class. (I'm in the 1%), but for the sake of argument, please explain to me why I would be financially better off with the republicans?

IME, they all spend the same amount and favor the capital gains crowd so significantly, I'm trying to figure out what the heck you are talking about when you act as if the conservatives have been innocently along for the ride in the debt run up.

My personal opinion is that it has simply been the baby boomers. Left/Right. Never mind.

The baby boomers of both parties spend like they are the only ones on the planet.

-- Edited by poetgrl on Thursday 24th of October 2013 09:54:33 AM

poetgrl · Senior Member

Hillary will run. Hillary will win if she gets the nomination.

Anyone will win against the republican social agenda. It's killing you guys.

I heard some conservative talking heads on the radio the week after Obama won the last election, and they were going on and on about how there is no woman problem, how they just have to "get hispanics." LOL.

Half of those hispanics ARE women, and there is a huge woman problem.

If it weren't for the republican stance on reproductive freedom? I'd vote for them. I'm completely for smaller government. But, anyone who wants to put the government in my uterus wants a government WAY too big for me.

catahoula · Guru

Even if it's just slurs, I guess Carville's been proven wrong or a dishonest hack.

I just posted the quote because I wondered if he'd ever dropped by CC. The place where I've seen the liberal mind flatly state that they'd rather not know that someone they'd always liked (right up until that point, anyway) didn't think exactly the same as they did.

hope · Guru

"Put up **** heads like Cruz and the Dems could put up Bozo the clown and win."

Sure, why not, it worked last time.

john doe · Guru

Put up **** heads like Cruz and the Dems could put up Bozo the clown and win

winchester · Guru

Maybe he's just blind in one eye?

That's more apt than you might think.

Our One-Eyed Friends, by R. R. Reno, in "First Things"

winchester · Guru

-- Edited by winchester on Thursday 17th of October 2013 11:05:13 AM

hope · Guru

Shoot me if Hillary runs for 2016.

A never-ending loop of Hillary, Bill, Begalia, Chelsea, Carville. Ground Hog Day hell.

catahoula · Guru

Conservatives literally view it as a kind of a weakness to talk to people other than their own. Nothing would bore me more than to sit around talking and listening to a bunch of liberals all day. Just shoot me. But conservatives never seem to tire of one another. They love to reinforce their beliefs, day after day.

Maybe he's just blind in one eye?