Political & Elections

"On the other hand, maybe geeps got tired of being called a hater and complained to the authorities... who can ever know?'

ha...me complain to authorities? not a chance. I was banned for a week for calling the Boston marathon bomber a Muslim extremist scumbag..I guess Islamic extremist is OK..lol
I get a kick out of CC...I've never experienced such a large group of bleeding heart liberals in my life..It's almost comical, they refuse to even consider other possibilities.

..and when you take the opposing side, they tell you to stop because the thread will be shut down...too funny...

-- Edited by geeps20 on Sunday 14th of July 2013 03:41:08 PM

Question for anybody - was the prosecution allowed to bring in witnesses to testify to GZ's alleged racial bias? If they were, why didn't they do so? Because without those testimonies, all I see for Melissa Harris-Perry, Reverend Al, Toure, et all, to label GZ a racial profiler is "f*** punks," "a*******." Am I wrong?

CC shut down the third thread on the trial. I didn't start it so, they didn't attack me for doing so. It's so childish on their part. Adults should be able to speak about whatever they want. The mods could simply declare a thread as a "no moderation' thread and let folks have at it.

What if GZ had his fists only? According to all testimony it is likely TM would have had the upper hand. When might he have .decided to stop pummeling GZ? Whenever it was, TM would have ended up in the justice system that his school district tried so hard to keep him out of. 

 

Has nothing to do with Race and everthing with the weapontry or lack of. Have you not heard, "I don't care who started it ". But you do know the instigator does come out ahead.

When the police officers were acquitted with the Rodney King verdict, I saw my city set on fire. 

To me, those officers went too far. I was NOT surprised about rioting. 

This situation is different.  It isn't stand your ground, either. Those four unaccounted for minutes were enough for Trayvon to go home. He didn't. 

It is a tragedy that another young man lost his life, but it is not the wrong verdict in this case. 

The media tried this case. 

if you look at timeline of what pundits and supposed journalists said throughout the case, they inserted their opinions and ignored the facts.

 

I was thinking Canada.  And maybe a wig or reconstructive surgery to change his appearance. 

The judge to me looked almost relieved/happy-- like she knows this is the correct outcome.

It all came down to the last minutes. Obviously a bright enough jury to understand this.

Zimmerman acquitted.

Those bastards in Florida fired the whistleblower who pointed out the prosecution had not produced relevant evidence to Zimmerman's lawyer. The guy is a hero.

While the world waits on the decision of the George Zimmerman jury, in regards to how the trial came to be we’re finding out more about what happened behind the curtain. Ben Kruidbos was the IT director at the State Attorney’s Office (SAO). Florida State Attorney Angela Corey fired Kruidbos because he allegedly violated public records laws. The letter Kruidbos received at his home read:

“Your egregious lack of regard for the sensitive nature of the information handled by this office is completely abhorrent. You have proven to be completely untrustworthy. Because of your deliberate, willful and unscrupulous actions, you can never again be trusted to step foot in this office.”


Read more at www.inquisitr.com/846743/george-zimmerman-whistleblower-ben-kruidbos-fired-trayvon-martin-drugs-guns-cell-phone/

Again, lp, your scenario paints GZ as a blood-thirsty crazy vigilante, and there was absolutely no evidence to support this presented in court. None.

Unless your proof is "f*** a****" a term my DH uses all too often toward complete strangers, as GZ did. 

Perhaps there will come a time when we can calmly come to an understanding of and have a discussion of the motivation of TM. 

And try to find ways to heal race relations so that it never happens again.

 

-- Edited by hope on Saturday 13th of July 2013 09:20:01 PM

-- Edited by hope on Saturday 13th of July 2013 09:20:49 PM

-- Edited by hope on Saturday 13th of July 2013 09:29:42 PM

Hmmm..HLN is now saying black/Hispanic.

wonder if this is tactical to alleviate tension if GZ is acquitted...

The case has gone to the jury.

I just saw the CNN said one of the jurors may be hispanic or black. Previously that juror had been referred to as hispanic. If black, that's bad for GZ.

Before my time but wasn't there an obit for her on CC, one including an explanation for the weird syntax?

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Police called to a Bay area home discovered the mummified remains of a woman—believed to be a popular College Admissions web site poster—lying on the floor in front of flickering blue-and-white computer screen that they said appeared to have been logged-on for more than five years.

According to police Lt. Mick Ronson, the college admissions poster had apparently rolled off of her couch at some point within the last year, inititiating a cause of death that has yet to be determined. However, “she was completely covered with Dorito crumbs and congealed bean-dip, which seem to have attracted mice and other animals,” said Lt. Ronson. “These animals scampered all over her laptop keyboard, resulting in numerous mispelled posts at the college web site, along with a great deal of fractured syntax, creating the illusion that she was in fact, still alive. We think that chunks of plaster falling from the ceiling may have randomly hit the keyboard, resulting in additional posts, further contributing to the illusion of a live, if very eccentric, person.”

Most fellow posters contacted for comment chose to remain anonymous. Several suggested “binge drinking” as a likely cause, noting that Wexler surveys of frequent College Admissions posters indicated that most had consumed 4 or more drinks at some point during their lives prior to their most recent postings. Others pointed to the addictive nature of participating on message boards where one can argue with obsessive-compulsive twerps 24/7. One, a Bay-area attorney, ruefully noted the number of his former clients now serving lengthy prison terms–”I’d ask for continuances, and then run off and argue with teenage girls at the College Admissions site,” he chuckled, twirling his pony-tail.

One former poster was willing to comment for the record: “Driver” was reached aboard Anthony Keidis’s yacht late last night. “Frankly I wouldn’t be at all surprised [could you grab me another margarita?…thanks so much….] to learn that any number of compulsive CC posters are in fact mummified corpses. I mean, just read the leftist dreck that they write, over and over and over. It’s hard to imagine that it’s all not actually posted by vermin and/or random chunks of falling plaster.”

Lt. Ronson noted that the woman’s body has not been moved, and that the coroner’s investigation could last for months. “There’s an unbelievable amount of crumbs and crust on that sweater of hers….she could be posting on CC for months longer with all those critters running around,” he said, shaking his head. “I wonder if anyone at that web site will notice.”

-- Edited by catahoula on Friday 12th of July 2013 07:00:45 AM

-- Edited by catahoula on Friday 12th of July 2013 07:01:55 AM

Like anything else in life, we all have our take on things, don't we.

On the GZ v Florida thread, I saw people subtly (or not so subtly) being accused of racism if they attempted to give the evidence a fair hearing. 

I thought many of the posts were absolutely outrageous, over-the-top, hysterical about how guilty GZ was. Jibes at Fox News galore. One poster proclaimed "I hate George Zimmerman." There was no commentary by posters or mods, that I saw, at least, after that post. One might  think the thread would have been shut down after that post. It was not.

Good thing I'm still not posting over there, because I'm sure I would last two seconds on the DOMA thread. Please don't try to tell me that anti gay-marriage views are treated with respect and that people who are pro gay marriage are not "rude." Seriously.

There is always a double standard as far as I can see over there. Longtime posters , if they are on the right side of an issue, can be snarky, catty, and nasty as can be--no repercussions that I see. Look at how they are ganging up on cobrat on the wealthy elite thread, or even the way they went after the OP on that thread. Not "rude?"

There are measured, lovely liberals like JHS over there, and then there is, and always has been in one form or another, a clique of "mean girls" who get/got away with everything. JYM is an example.

There is a direct correlation between my being Catholic, and having been very unpopular with certain posters. That is because Catholicism does not and never will support gay marriage.

Check out the DOMA thread, Donna L's final post.

I am very familiar with Conyat, who morphed into Dallice I heard. I guess you missed the thread here recently  in which she came after me directly because of my gay marriage views.

 

from what I understand, Florida's Selfdefense law,  makes it illegal for law enforcement to question, arrest, and charge, the shooter. Florida and many other states will have a future rash of spousal killings. 

My take is this.

My personal opinion is that I don't like guns and if you use a gun you should be the one proving you acted in self defense. Unfortunately, that is not the law in FL and probably not the law anywhere. GZ is a wanna be cop who is a jerk but I can't fault a man for being concerned about crime in his neighborhood especially given the next door neighbor who had two thugs break into her home to steal.

TM's family is falsely alleging racism by the police and by GZ. It's disgusting but given that they want action taken against the killer of their son, it is not surprising they played the race card.

Zimmerman is hispanic. He is not white and those who claim he is a white hispanic are probably doing so to make the case fit their agenda of blaming white people for everything. Most black commentators are obsessed with getting a verdict against a non black for killing a black. They are racists. It is unfortunate that so many black people seem unconcerned about shootings between blacks, but they go crazy when a hispanic does the shooting. I am sick of all this gun violence.

There is no doubt in my mind that GZ was following TM because he though TM was a thief. Doing so is not a crime and if you wanted to stop crime in your neighborhood, you have to identify the suspect and have the police stop him.

There is no doubt in my mind that TM punched GZ. That's a crime. TM engaged in a crime. TM was annoyed that GZ was following him. His response should have been to run home which is where he was near or call 911. Punching GZ was not lawful or appropriate. Once TM punched GZ, he placed himself at risk of fighting someone armed with a weapon.

There is no doubt in my mind that GZ felt he was at risk of significant harm if he did not shoot TM. TM was on top pushing or punching or holding GZ downward. GZ cried for help but no one would help him. He had no choice but to shoot TM. TM would be alive if he had not punched GZ and got on top of him.

Mr Trayvon's best option when confronted was to throw the first punch. There is no law of War, that says that it is not legal to attack first and make War for your self-defense. The Castle defense may be OK within the confines of your own home, however, outside of your home, only the State should decide whether a shooting is justifiable, and that is before the trigger is pulled.

GZ got into TM personal space but would never (assumed) get into T's personal space unless he (GZ) knew he (GZ) had superior weapon and known before the approach.

If you teach your children to standup to bullies, You could now be a grieving parent. 

-- Edited by longprime on Thursday 11th of July 2013 03:56:33 PM

I lurk on CC once in awhile, just to see what is happening.  I almost never post.  I saw the reborn Trayvon thread and didn't see anything wrong with it.  What set off the closure of the second thread?  Any ideas? Or was it just the general direction that it was heading?  

Well that's very interesting, longprime, but in no way negates my experience.

Did you know that one is a bigot--no questions asked-- if one does not support gay marriage now? 

Posters on CC routinely call anyone now who is not a gay marriage supporter a bigot. Check out the DOMA thread. 

Our president was not until fairly recently a supporter. Bill Clinton himself who signed the act into law in 1996. A large percentage of our population still does not support it.

yet on CC it is perfectly acceptable to call nonsupporters bigots, and no one bats an eye.

Just as kluge and poetgrl can imply that anyone who in the slightest wants to wait until all the evidence is presented in the TM case is "afraid of big scary black men."

CC is at the vanguard of political correctness. It's the main reason I keep reading...to keep my finger on the pulse of leftist attitudes, knowing they'll never be called out on that board by moderators.

Personally I think it was my anti-gay marriage stance that ultimately did me in there .

I see you as conflicted, longprime. All those nice things about Ron Paul... maybe you've strayed, maybe you're thinking about it.

The mod/individual poster thing I understand but the mentality that claims a right not to be challenged on their political correctness, not so much. Can't imagine anything more ignorantly dishonest, to be honest.

 

I've noticed in the past, and to a degree on that thread, a certain: "you're a hater for bringing that up" and "I'd rather this discussion dried up because I'd rather not know that people on this board are haters." Absent remarks related to only one poster, I recall seeing these things overwhelmingly from liberal posters, though that just my recollection.

On the other hand, maybe geeps got tired of being called a hater and complained to the authorities... who can ever know?

Ah, good question, Hayden.

Back in the day (and we are talking about 5 years ago, I think), everyone knew CC skewed liberal. It was something of a joke at the time. I can't tell you how many pm's I received from people thanking me for having the nerve to speak up about views they themselves had, but were too intimidated to attach their names to.

(There were other conservatives who were somewhat better tolerated, I think, since they were not Conservative and Catholic.)

It's a while ago, so obviously I don't remember exact details, but I had received several warnings/timeouts from mods, mainly because of "complaints" from posters. Of course, the mods did not attach names to the "complaints," nor disclose what the complaints were about.

I do remember that my last timeout was prompted by one complaint, supposedly. I might still be posting today (though it's unlikely) had it not  been for my question to the mod in response to my timeout asking why posters couldn't take care of themselves since we were adults (i.e. something like the rules on this board), and that I felt we were being treated as children. Oops...banned for life!!

Since I was an outspoken conservative, if you want to believe the complaints were from other conservatives, be my guest. I think otherwise.

 

IMO there were tons of misinformation on that thread--- as well as opinions masked as facts. Kudos to razorsharp for injecting some facts into the drama queen discussion.

 

-- Edited by hope on Wednesday 10th of July 2013 12:24:52 PM