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Here you go, Hope:

SUSAN PATTON'S LETTER TO THE DAILY PRINCETONEAN

Letter to the Editor: March 29, 2013

By Susan A. Patton
Guest Contributor
Published: Friday, March 29th, 2013
Advice for the young women of Princeton: the daughters I never had

Forget about having it all, or not having it all, leaning in or leaning out — here’s what you really need to know that nobody is telling you.

For years (decades, really) we have been bombarded with advice on professional advancement, breaking through that glass ceiling and achieving work-life balance. We can figure that out — we are Princeton women. If anyone can overcome professional obstacles, it will be our brilliant, resourceful, very well-educated selves.

A few weeks ago, I attended the Women and Leadership conference on campus that featured a conversation between President Shirley Tilghman and Wilson School professor Anne-Marie Slaughter, and I participated in the breakout session afterward that allowed current undergraduate women to speak informally with older and presumably wiser alumnae. I attended the event with my best friend since our freshman year in 1973. You girls glazed over at preliminary comments about our professional accomplishments and the importance of networking. Then the conversation shifted in tone and interest level when one of you asked how have Kendall and I sustained a friendship for 40 years. You asked if we were ever jealous of each other. You asked about the value of our friendship, about our husbands and children. Clearly, you don’t want any more career advice. At your core, you know that there are other things that you need that nobody is addressing. A lifelong friend is one of them. Finding the right man to marry is another.

When I was an undergraduate in the mid-seventies, the 200 pioneer women in my class would talk about navigating the virile plains of Princeton as a precursor to professional success. Never being one to shy away from expressing an unpopular opinion, I said that I wanted to get married and have children. It was seen as heresy.

For most of you, the cornerstone of your future and happiness will be inextricably linked to the man you marry, and you will never again have this concentration of men who are worthy of you.

Here’s what nobody is telling you: Find a husband on campus before you graduate. Yes, I went there.

I am the mother of two sons who are both Princetonians. My older son had the good judgment and great fortune to marry a classmate of his, but he could have married anyone. My younger son is a junior and the universe of women he can marry is limitless. Men regularly marry women who are younger, less intelligent, less educated. It’s amazing how forgiving men can be about a woman’s lack of erudition, if she is exceptionally pretty. Smart women can’t (shouldn’t) marry men who aren’t at least their intellectual equal. As Princeton women, we have almost priced ourselves out of the market. Simply put, there is a very limited population of men who are as smart or smarter than we are. And I say again — you will never again be surrounded by this concentration of men who are worthy of you.

Of course, once you graduate, you will meet men who are your intellectual equal — just not that many of them. And, you could choose to marry a man who has other things to recommend him besides a soaring intellect. But ultimately, it will frustrate you to be with a man who just isn’t as smart as you.

Here is another truth that you know, but nobody is talking about. As freshman women, you have four classes of men to choose from. Every year, you lose the men in the senior class, and you become older than the class of incoming freshman men. So, by the time you are a senior, you basically have only the men in your own class to choose from, and frankly, they now have four classes of women to choose from. Maybe you should have been a little nicer to these guys when you were freshmen?

If I had daughters, this is what I would be telling them.

Susan A. Patton ’77
President of the Class of 1977
New York, N.Y.

 

 



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Samurai, do you have a link to Patton's entire letter?  I've only been able to find excerpts. it appears they removed it from the Daily Princetonian pretty quickly after the controversy started. 

 

 

 



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I am at CC now, posting.

I will most likely regret this action in the morning. 



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I hope, I don't sound whiney or whatever you may call it.hmm

Never once did I say anything to DS during his undergrad years about finding a GF or potential spouse.  Nor did I say anything during his grad year, other than to at least review the overall universe (40,000 and international student body). And while he was a staff engineer at State U, I only mentioned at the beginning of fall term  that he had the pick of the class(es) if he so chose.evileye

We have calmed some because he lives in a young people area and city, in a housefull of young people, works with young people. He has a nice career with a lot of local options.

Ms Patton, is setting herself up for a big disappointment if she thinks a girl in college will make a good spouse or her undergrad son will do likewise, evileye

 



-- Edited by longprime on Monday 1st of April 2013 10:19:50 PM

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Thanks! 

Very, very unfortunate use of the word "worthy" (twice).

What I object to, though, is the knee-jerk opposition to what she has to say by so many, since it is just not feminist-PC.

If people think this kind of thinking is a thing of the past, they are living in dreamland, as evidenced by the recent "Retro Mom" New York Magazine piece. 

I've alway understood that couples who marry are typically within 10 IQ points of each other.

 

Make that "Retro Wife" piece In New York Magazine .



-- Edited by hope on Monday 1st of April 2013 09:51:26 PM

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That is actually an excellent point, i.e. poor Mrs. McGreevey (husband Jim educated Harvard and Georgetown, btw).

As for Mrs. Patton-- poor lady is not of course allowed to state the obvious in today's PC America. As a Princeton grad, she should have known that. cry

 



-- Edited by hope on Monday 1st of April 2013 07:55:24 PM

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For those of us who have unattached children, gayness concentrates the eligibility pool. Not like before when you don't know if one is one or the other. 

http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/1483545-lol-mom-real.html 



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Nah....the activists over at CC ("Am I out of touch..." thread) are WAY more intelligent than any ol' Supreme Court Justice.



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“If you tell a child that somebody has to be their friend, I suppose you can force the child to say ‘this is my friend,’ but it changes the definition of what it means to be a friend. And that’s, it seems to me, what opponents of Proposition 8 are saying here. All you’re interested in is the label, and you insist on changing the definition of the label.” - Chief Justice John Roberts

Simple but profound? 



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If you have to register with the local state authorities for a marriage license, how does the US Gov dictate the conditions for benefits that supercede that of the state's? DOMA will probably be called unConstitutional, State's Rights prevail because the more liberal Justices unhold lower court's decision. confuse

Isn't USA great. smile

Which brings up the notion of State: We gotta get a license to be legally married. But no license to get a weapon that kills.  I don't know about you Razor, but I've been with DW for almost 40 years, furious So does a marriage license prevent killings?



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I heard some of the argument on the calif issue but it seemed the court was focused on the jurisdictional issue.

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Attourney Charles Cooper defending CA gay marriage ban got reamed and creamed by the Justices. Nine men and women each took their turns and made Mr Cooper squirm and nearly collapse from the onslaught. Gingsburg, Kagan, and Soutermeier got laughs from their comments. 

The Onion's take: http://www.theonion.com/articles/supreme-court-on-gay-marriage-sure-who-cares,31812/

 Is anyone concerned about the amount of work at ***** compared to other schools? Heard it is all work...no school spirit...and a terrible amount of stress...any current students available to comment?

Tomorrow is another day of arguments. Going to be brutal. 

 



-- Edited by longprime on Tuesday 26th of March 2013 08:42:17 PM

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