Political & Elections

Remember the Politicians on this Memorial Day Weekend who got all those People killed.

Well I'd say not many of us would wish their parents, schools or religions judged for mistakes we have personally made. Casting a pretty wide net there, lp.

Cheney kept the moon face the whole while, longprime. Maybe it just has to do with how evil they really are.

Inane comment: How far could a Prius travel on the Obama's vacation aviation fuel burn?

The moon? Mars? Beyond?

Obama, no fat physique could be because Michelle demands it, and because he smokes. 

MR is a little on the pudgy side, but otherwise in good shape. He cannot smoke or take intoxicants due to fundamentalist reasons. The White House, could be a dry home.  On this note; It's been 16 years since BC said that he only inhaled, 8 years since GWB said he did some stupid things and an intervention. What will MR, admit to or not? 

Having worked in a variety of schools over the years, I have seen and heard of quite a few pranks over the years.  I have seen and heard situations of bullying. I have heard of drug use.  I have heard of draconian responses to all of the above by the school administration.

Sometimes, kids will do stupid things IN SPITE OF, not because of their school, their parents or the religion.

I wouldn't say I am a bad parent for a situation that happened to my kids in high school. By these standards you have set forth, Longprime, I might as well turn in my parenting badge.  

The thing about free will is that sometimes people do bad stuff, or stupid stuff or just haven't thought before they did it -- despite a million warnings or knowing how dumb it is.  

Is the nature of humanity.  

One of the worst bullying incidents I have been aware of is when I was in high school.  A bunch of dumb kids held down and abused two teenage boys - they stripped them and wrapped them in duct tape over a portion of their bodies.  It was not only humiliating when they were found, but also they lost skin and hair, in the process. Painful and humiliating.  The boys who committed this atrocity were punished and expelled.  

I am hoping that by now, 25 years later, they have redeemed themselves.  I am pretty sure they have. If they haven't, they are probably in prison.  More than likely, they are normal middle aged adults that have regret for a foolish act that hurt other kids.  I don't believe that a kid in high school is as fully developed as an adult, and cognitive brain studies would confirm that.  

-- Edited by SamuraiLandshark on Thursday 24th of May 2012 09:10:16 PM

Skinny: It's a tough job (President). A lot of pressure when the decision you make will affect people's lives. 

 

-- Edited by longprime on Thursday 24th of May 2012 03:56:38 PM

Obama is a lousy president with the leadership qualities of a dog.  The main problem however is that Romney would be a horrific president.

I'll take my chances on Mitt.  I think it's time for a little of that hope and change stuff.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-05-15/news/bs-ed-obama-20120515_1_barack-obama-cairo-speech-osama

Maybe he's just too smart to be a good president. Yep, that's it!!

Nobody wants to go into bankruptcy because of medical bills.  Agreed.

Hypothetical scenario number 1 - you are getting ready to give birth to your child, but go into early preterm labor.  There are complications.  Baby has a compromised delivery and an uncertain outcome.  At what time, do doctors try every heroic measure to save baby's life? 

Hypothetical scenario number 2 - you are an elderly patient who needs an organ transplant and anti-rejection drugs for the rest of your life.  Who should pay?  

Hypothetical scenario number 3 - your elderly mother has late stage Alzheimer's.  She can't remember her own family or even remember to bathe.  She falls and breaks her hip.  Who should pay?  

Hypothetical scenario number 4 - your grandfather has emphysema from smoking 2 packs a day for the last 50 years.  He develops pneumonia and is in intensive care.  Eventually, has a cardiac arrest.  Who should pay?

Hypothetical scenario number 5 - a mom of 6 shows up at a local HMO that she is not a member of and demands medical care for her current pregancy - she is carrying 8 babies.  This will be an expensive procedure with multiple doctors, nurses, anethsthsiologists, etc.  Who should pay? 

The problem with Obamacare paying for "everything" is that some things are going to be true emergencies.  Some are not.  We will have many people taking advantage of the system...because they can.  Who doesn't like when someone else assumes their financial burden?  

About a month ago, my kid got injured at a practice.  Thought it might be a fracture, but it turned out to be a dislocation.  Pretty high threshold for pain, but the pain was significant enough that she wanted to go to urgent care late at night.  I thought it could wait till morning, but normally composed kid was getting hysterical from the pain.  I took her in.  We missed the urgent care cutoff.  Instead, went to ER - same location, part of hospital.  She got a doctor to see her, an X Ray and a nurse who helped splint the injury.  Truly, it didn't end up being an emergency, but we weren't sure.  Doctors weren't fazed by us being there, even though we were apologetic for taking their time.  The one doctor said that he saw a kid with a runny nose right before us.  

What does this mean?  People take advantage of a system if it's there and available.  In my parenting life, we have been to the ER 3 times over 20 years -  when my kid had a heart ailment, another time when a kid's knee swelled up to 3 times it's size after normal medical hours and this time.  

Guess what?  I had an 80/20 plan for the first two.  I paid out of pocket. The lancing of the knee set us back several hundred dollars. The heart ailment cost us nearly 10,000, when all was said and done, because he was admitted to the hospital and spent several days in intensive care, and the $10,000 was our portion.  We paid that in installments over the next three years. The second one?  I paid a co-pay.  

Was my doctor's time worth less money on this seemingly minor injury? What about the hospital's? 

So...who pays for it in Obamacare? The numbers don't match the original projections.  There are thousands of pages of rules to go with this legislation.  Compliance is going to be an issue, not just for you and me, but also for the doctors and hospitals.  It's a nightmare.  

 

 

Old and tiresome, eh? So is this administration's lack of basic economic knowledge and it's subsequent attempt to fully bankrupt our country. Nice attempt at deflection. So based upon your answer I will assume that you WON'T be sending in any additional money to the federal government as you don't wish to contribute any more. How very selfish of you! Considering that statistically almost one-half of the population pays zero federal income taxes each fiscal year, "everyone else" doesn't contribute. Your implication is that higher taxes are needed to resolve the debt crisis (not at the local level where you attempted to run away). Why can't a liberal mind ever consider reducing/cutting/paring back/etc. the expenditure column? Could it be painful? Why yes it could!

Just so you know how much to send in.....$12,984 would be a good start.

"Given that the Census Bureau estimates there are about 117,538,000 households in the United States, the per household increase in the federal debt since Congress enacted its March 4, 2011 bipartisan spending deal has been approximately $12,984."

http://cnsnews.com/blog/terence-p-jeffrey/12984-increase-debt-household-first-2011-bipartisan-spending-deal

The statement is quite clear. Try calling your local family doctor (whether that be a pediatrician, orthopedist, general practice, cardiologist, etc.), dentist, podiatrist, chiropractic physician, psychiatrist, acupuncturist, massage therapist, occupational therapist and ask to schedule an appointment. I seriously doubt that you will not be offered a time (maybe not today as they are possibly busy). Access (freedom or ability to obtain or make use of something) is not that hard.

The obsequious nature of those who believe Obamacare is a cure for the health care industry is delusional. The truly specious nature of the bill is that it then indentures a portion of the population through governmental control to the remaining population. The various physicians, therapists, hospitals, nurses, etc. become fully subjugated to a federal bureaucracy.

As noted by Neal Boortz last year:

"After all, you can't receive health care unless someone else spends either their time or they devote some type of property (drugs, medical implements, etc) to the effort, can you? Health care doesn't just appear out of thin air. That time a health care practitioner provides belongs to him. Just how much of that health care provider's time does a citizen have a "right" to? All of it? Only ten percent of it? And just how much of that person's property do you have a "right" to? Do you at least have to leave that person enough property for them to sustain themselves in business? Why? You have a "right" to that property, don't you? Oh! That person will be PAID for their property ... the drugs they produce, the medical implements they develop ... right? Fine; then were does that money come from? Oh yeah ... the taxpayers. I forgot. So....the person in need of medical care has a "right" to someone else's money, right? How much of it? What if they need all of it? What if they need a medical procedure that is so expensive that there is almost no limit to the amount of money that is going to be seized from some other taxpayer to pay for it? Doesn't the taxpayer have a right to the money they earned? Uh oh. We have competing rights now, don't we?"

-- Edited by Intrepid1 on Monday 21st of May 2012 06:33:10 AM

The question is not whether the government will do right by me.  The question is whether it will do right by everyone, all citizens. 

I do not believe that goverment is inherently bad.  I believe that all of us are smarter, more compassionate and better than some of us. 

There will always be fraud, corruption, special interests.  Government is one of the places they hang out.

If special interests and corruption are the problem, then target special interests and corruption, not goverment.

"I would be happy to pay higher taxes to get out of the debt crisis."

So it is safe to assume that you will voluntarily be forwarding a very significantly large check to the Treasury Department (and I presume immediately) in order to help reduce the debt........completely above and beyond any federal income taxes noted on your latest federal tax return (2011).

"Forget mandates, call it a tax and provide everyone with healthcare."

Contrary to popular liberal-thinking opinions, everyone already has access and availability to a variety of healthcare providers and facilities on a daily basis. What that bloated, intrusive and non-constitutional POS legislation implied that everyone would have is "healthcare coverage" (read insurance). And from what has been learned as this gargantuan bill slowly reveals, it doesn't even do that.

As a long-term provider for the past 34 years, I can tell you from experience that a family's medical costs compete with many other items (vacations, that new car, the flat-screen TV, cellphones, cable/satellite TV, manicures/pedicures, jewelry purchases, trendy clothing, etc.). For a majority (please read slowly, I didn't say everyone), meeting the costs for their healthcare procedures often is not an inability to pay, but an inconvenience to pay. And for those people that truly do not have the ability to pay for services, our office gladly provides them gratis.

"And jobs--people work for the government"

And since when did the government jobs become immune from experiencing the same type of changes that occur in the private sector simply because they ARE government jobs?

-- Edited by Intrepid1 on Sunday 20th of May 2012 05:19:52 PM

I dare you.  I double dog dare you.  

Piss some people off.  Why not?  What's the worst that can happen?  Someone doesn't like you?  Most of the people here, we won't encounter in real life.  For every one who posts here, I can safely say I would be happy to sit down and talk to you in real life.  Even if you are wrong!  

If they don't like you or call you names because of what you think, then they weren't friends, anyway.  

Perhaps I made a mistake in establishing this board with these rules.  Maybe uncivil discussion is the best of all.  It's honest, at least.  

We are all so afraid to make waves.  It makes me sad.   

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