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Yes birth control, abortion etc.  The conservatives want individual freedom for the things that they believe in only - they don't give a crap about anybody else.



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This is enforcement of a rule that has been determined to be in the best medical interests of women. Griswold vs Connecticut sets out just how important access to birth control is. It rests on the concept of individual liberty, that is supposedly so important to conservatives.



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Is someone forcing this hypothetical young woman to work at ND? People make tradeoffs re jobs/benefits all the time.



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Do women still use them? They aren't exactly 100% effective in preventing pregnancy, are they?  

I speak from experience.  The Landsharks welcomed in the first heir from using this ridiculous device.  

However, diaphragms do provide the much needed comic relief and spontaneity that women so much enjoy when using birth control. wink  

 



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I would suggest that if that young woman can't afford a diaphragm and spermicide on her salary, and if her boyfriend can't afford a box of condoms, she should ditch the job and ditch the loser boyfriend.

Let's teach our young women to be responsible for themselves.

Of course, that is not the endgame of this legislation.



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Thanks Cat - Lowell George, the leader of Little Feat, and a heckuva of a slide guitar player?

I just think that a young woman working at Notre Dame, for example, should have the same ability to get birth control through her insurance company as a woman doing the same job at the University of Chicago. It's not like they're making the churches provide coverage.



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Starting threads is kind of risky, unless you're so thick-skinned that no comments won't make you feel small. Not everyone does it.

Can't fathom your viewpoint sometimes but always enjoy your comments, cartera. Besides that, you know what Lowell George did for living which is an increasingly rare thing these days.



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Studies have shown that 98% of Catholic women use birth control banned by the Church. Only 2% of childbearing age woman use the recommended rhythm method suggested by the Church.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/14/us-most-catholic-women-us-use-birth-cont-idUSTRE73D4SZ20110414

Then there is that simple fact that many of these Catholic health plans already do have contraceptive coverage available for employees.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2011/12/02/143022996/catholic-groups-fight-contraceptive-rule-but-many-already-offer-coverage

Personally - I think that birth control should be available to women of childbearing age, regardless of who their employer is.  Even if it's a Catholic Hospital or educational institution.  I don't believe the government should pay for it, however. 

If a woman wants BC coverage in her plan, it should be available, even if the prescription cost is at a higher premium.  

I am opposed to the idea that women can't have access to the same medical coverage as other women, simply because of their employer being a religious based institution.  It's a slippery slope argument.  

It's not just BC.  It's reproductive health.  In this day, it's shocking that women do not have full access to BC pills or hormones or IUD's or whatever new method is now available.  

I found out after one of my kids was born that one of the doctors at my HMO's doctor's office was opposed to BC and wouldn't write the prescription for me to get my medication refilled.  This was a problem.  Particularly since I am not Catholic and broke no moral laws in asking for it. Normally, it would not be an issue- there were several docs in the practice that could do it, but that day this doctor was on duty and was "morally opposed".  

So I had to come back another day to get my prescription administered, which at the time was an injectable medication that had to be administered within a certain time frame in order to be reliable. Inconvenient for me - I had to miss work to come back for another visit.  Frustrating and stupid, too.  

 

 

 



-- Edited by SamuraiLandshark on Wednesday 25th of January 2012 07:01:40 PM

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I hope you are not arguing that women do not have plentiful access to birth control in this country, or that the Catholic Church is preventing them access to birth control. And we are in this particular case talking about this country--not the Philippines.



-- Edited by hope on Wednesday 25th of January 2012 06:53:38 PM

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You started the thread and tossed out the bait. I'm just commenting on it. If you feel baited, that's on you.

I couldn't care less how the Catholic church feels about making birth control available. When someone starts tying them down and forcing birth control pills down their throats, then I'll line up with them. Until then, making them available at  reasonable or no cost should be none of their business.



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I love to read the liberal point of view when it is genuinely thought-provoking.

In this particular case, it's the same response over and over which gets under my skin: a. it's all conservative spin, b. conservatives are stupid, c. conservatives fall for fear-mongering, d. conservatives are racist, bigoted homophobes, e. only Fox News pushes an agenda, f. any conservative commentator/writer's opinion should be dismissed out-of-hand, g. only liberals care about the poor and oppressed, h. liberals know what is best for all.

Several of these attitudes are expressed right here in these few posts on this thread.

That is not a debate of the issues. It's simply an attempt to insult, ridicule, and malign the views of millions of people. As if there is only one correct way to think.  And it gets really old.



-- Edited by hope on Wednesday 25th of January 2012 04:09:32 PM



-- Edited by hope on Wednesday 25th of January 2012 04:11:35 PM

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Seriously, you must be baiting me, cartera. It's not possible to be that arrogantly dismissive toward 77 million people in this country. Just flick them off like a gnat.

Another case of the stupid party falling for conservative fear-mongering, huh? Even you can't possibly believe what you just wrote.

I'm starting to think you're trolling here for your own jollies.

 



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Just because the Catholic Church, WSJ and an op ed editor says it is about an earth shattering attack on religion doesn't make it so. It is about access to birth control, which is about reducing unwanted pregnancies, which is also a huge economic issue. The rest is conservative spin.



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No I read the article. It was a side note.

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Obama has overreached. We'll see how the five Catholic Supreme Court justices rule on this one (when it inevitably gets there).

As for starting the thread and "tossing out the bait," I notice you never start a thread. You just chime in with your snarky pronouncements of the  "truth."

Sort of like a troll.



-- Edited by hope on Wednesday 25th of January 2012 09:59:49 AM

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romani-

Did you read the entire article or read other pieces about the crux of this issue? From your response, I don't think you did. Hope is correct, it's much, much more than a contraception issue. And if this doesn't cause you concern as an American, then we are further apart than I thought possible.

http://blog.cleveland.com/letters/2012/01/obamas_ruling_on_birth_control.html



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There are much larger principles at play here than just birth control.



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It's funny. I actually don't know any Catholics opposed to birth control. I definitely know older Christians opposed to birth control, but no Catholics. I come from a large Irish Catholic family, I'm dating someone from a large Catholic family, and we both went to Catholic school for 9 years so we know a LOT of Catholics. Maybe we just got lucky with liberal Catholics haha.

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I thought so. Big opening for Romney here.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203718504577179110264196498.html



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