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"...but something that is spread by sex? No. That's way beyond what should ever be required by the government."

Agree.  Interesting that when my boys were vaccinated for Hep B it was presented as optional. For my second son's college health forms, it is mandatory.

People have to be vigilant. I'm a parents' rights person, and I agree with Bachmann that there should be an opt in, not an opt out. I get what she is saying and I totally agree. Little by little the state is taking control of raising our kids. They look to the negligent parents as excuses to take control from all parents.  Most parents can't be bothered to fill out the forms for opt ins. That's why they do opt outs, thereby gaining control.

And I don't care about her past record on Hep B--that's a red herring. Hilarious that on CNN yesterday they spend a half hour talking about they "could" have been talking about Perry, but they "had" to talk about Bachmann, and it was all her own fault!!  Yeah, right. Like they don't decide what to cover and what not to cover. Very funny.



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ETA: I didn't realize that it was even up for discussion (making this shot or something similar required). That is going way too far. I can understand diseases like polio or mumps (although, again, still on the fence about whether or not they should be required) mandatory since they are spread by germ contact- but something that is spread by sex? No. That's way beyond what should ever be required by the government.

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Hep B is required by state governments for school entry in most states and is indeed sexually transmitted.  Sorry to disappoint, but it's already required. I declined this vax for all my babies and signed waivers when they started school. Same opt out in TX for Gardisil. 

http://www.pkids.org/files/pdf/phr/02-08hbvvaccinestates.pdf

Know your forms of Hep and how they are transmitted: http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4075abc.pdf

 

 

 



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"2 of our daughter's have had the Gardisil series, they have had no adverse effects, except for intermittent snarkiness, eye-rolling, I know-better-than you attitude and need for extra spending $$$. Should I be concerned? Perhaps I should call the pediatrician."

That's hilarious. I can't imagine what your pediatrician would say. Though I'm sure my parents (and husband) would testify that those conditions are permanent. Must have been some other vaccine I had as a child.

Side effects or not, if they ever came up with a vaccine against breast cancer, most of us would be running to the doctor ASAP.






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@pima- It's not just your age group that is reluctant to get vaccine. My generation (I'm 20) grew up hearing about the scares of childhood vaccines and their link to autism. Now that's been almost universally debunked iirc, BUT the subconscious association is there. No one on my mom's side of the family has ever gotten a vaccine that wasn't legally required (then again, we come from a Roma family and Gypsies aren't exactly known to be trustful of Gadjes).

OTOH- The misinformation that is out there about vaccines is frightening. I'm not sure how I feel about requiring shots for children (it's something I'm on the fence about), but I do wish more parents would actually look into the vaccines (whether they're for them or against them) to find out REAL information about them rather just relying on hear-say. It's down right scary how little initiative people take in knowing about what is and is not being put into their bodies.


ETA: I didn't realize that it was even up for discussion (making this shot or something similar required). That is going way too far. I can understand diseases like polio or mumps (although, again, still on the fence about whether or not they should be required) mandatory since they are spread by germ contact- but something that is spread by sex? No. That's way beyond what should ever be required by the government. 



-- Edited by romanigypsyeyes on Wednesday 14th of September 2011 03:50:17 PM

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Maybe someone slipped Michelle a Gardisil ****tail and she knows of what she speaks.



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You gave me a fabulous idea BD!!! Sue the manufacturer for the behaviors you described above. We'll be RICH, RICH I tell ya!!!!!!!

2 of our daughter's have had the Gardisil series, they have had no adverse effects, except for intermittent snarkiness, eye-rolling, I know-better-than you attitude and need for extra spending $$$. Should I be concerned? Perhaps I should call the pediatrician. biggrin



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She certainly should be careful saying bizarrely inflammatory comments, with no basis in reality. It sounds, from this forum, like there are many reasons to be leery of the vaccine....but a teenager instantly becoming retarded is a little off base. Of course, I can see many parents now blaming Gardasil for the reason their 13 year old daughter is starting to act strangely. "She used to be so smart before, now all she cares about is boys and how she looks. She's emotional, argumentative and crying alot. Sue the vaccine manufacturers!"

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I think Bachmann killed her campaign with the Gardasil/retardation nonsense.  Could be wrong, but that's what I think.



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I think for women of my age we are more reluctant to do this because our mothers were given drugs like DES when pregnant with us. It was only later on did we see there maybe more severe side effects.  Look at accutane...it was the drug to give for acne for yrs upon yrs, now they have lawsuits against them for major medical issues like Crohns and colitis.  In the military, you actually get medically DQ if you have used accutane within the past yr.

Additionally, we come from a generation where the chicken pox shot came out, something I opted out for my own kids, we also learned that it really didn't stop them from getting the pox. Plus for me personally, although I made it through childhood without getting the pox, I got them at 33, which was so much more dangerous.

One other reason I am opposed to this is because I am not being naive. I hate to say it, but there are kids that are sexually active at 12, sometimes it is rape/incest, sometimes it is just because and I can guarantee you they are not going to tell the folks, so this actually can harm the child, and honestly we know they don't realize to the extent it can harm them.

I don't believe the state has any right to dictate this shot, and if it is because of health costs, than outlaw cigarettes, cigars, alcohol and fried foods since all of them will cost money too.



-- Edited by pima on Wednesday 14th of September 2011 05:57:26 AM

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Gardisil works for guys too.



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Well, she wouldn't. Anyways, it's almost always the guy who does the cheating, but there's a whole other argument for a different thread.


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but what happens if she cheats on him?evileye

and there is no routine test for guys.



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It sounds like if you're getting regular pap smears, they ought to catch it, even if your boyfriend does the unthinkable and cheats on you.

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My mother has convinced me to not get the Gardasil shot- despite the fact that my sister contracted HPV when she was about 17. When I became sexually active at 15, I talked to my doctor and he advised me against getting it since both my partner and I were clean virgins (yes, tested and everything). He recommended waiting until I was with someone who wasn't a virgin or if I suspected infidelity.

In hindsight, that was probably bad advice since there is always the chance of infidelity. However, I am still holding off on getting the shot. I have had so many vaccines and shots in my life (because of traveling, weak immune system, chronic pneumonia, etc) that I just, quite frankly, don't want anything else in my body. I still get tested once a year and I have made both of my partners (both of whom had been virgins) get tested once a year as well. If my lifestyle changes, then I'll consider the shot. In the meantime, I'd rather practice safe sex in a monogamous relationship than get the shot. Yes, infidelity is a chance I'm willing to take.

FWIW- My insurance covers the shot. It's only like $15-20/shot.



-- Edited by romanigypsyeyes on Tuesday 13th of September 2011 05:51:55 PM

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I actually had a scare with strange test results and HPV in my early twenties, and my doctor caught it at the pap.  For a variety of reasons, they couldn't treat it for nearly a year. After a minor outpatient procedure, they were able to do a more invasive check and treatment, and I have never had a problem since then with those med tests.

I understand though - if we can prevent any disease, it should be a good thing to do. 

I am just not convinced, yet on this one.  It may be great.  We'll see.  



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I would also probably opt out until I am absolutely certain of the vaccine, if I had a daughter. But cervical cancer is the third most common cancer in women, so it is not rare at all. I don't know anybody who actually has bi-yearly well woman exams, and I'll bet alot of women skip their yearly exams (especially if they are young and healthy). The lab mess esup pap smears all the time. A neighbor of mine, a brilliant ,kind woman in her thirties died of cervical cancer. If I had a way to erradicate a top cancer killer of women, I would do it. But I would definitely check out the side effects. I'm sure people would be offended if we only recommended it to promiscuous women who weren't going to bother with pap smears, so perhaps that's why they recommend it to all.

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Every good, certifiable, virtuous man/woman would never need this HPV vaccine. biggrin

BTW, I still have a virtuous DS (cannot personally certify fact), inquiring same but opposite sex. evileye



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I am usually a big believer in vaccines.  

That said, I have held off with the Gardasil vaccine because of some concerns I have about it, until I do more research on it for my kid.

The other issue is, the timing of the vaccines  (3 over a 6 month period) interferes with my kids' sport seasons, and many girls I know have had long lasting muscle pain at the site of the injection for many days.  We have been told that the pain is more significant than with a Tetanus shot, and there is a risk of seizure.

I also held off for the Chicken Pox vaccine.  When my D was young, there was about a 70% effectiveness rate with this vaccine.  I waited till she got ready to start school and hoped she would contract it the old fashioned way.  She was exposed mulitple times and never contracted it.  I got her the shot.  And then the booster when she went to middle school.  When I was a kid I had a mild case of chicken pox (doctors notated it in my med records) and then I got a very serious case as a young adult.  It was horrible.  

Chicken pox can be a dangerous illness and even kill children and adults.  

It's rare for Cervical cancer to kill women who are screened with yearly or bi-yearly well women pelvic exams.  It's something like the 14th leading killer.

Consider how much of a moneymaker this particular vaccine is for the company providing it - they have recommended that half the population in the country get this medication.  With our old insurance, it would have been $180 per shot (you need three), plus co-pay for office visit. 

Contrast that with a flu shot that costs $10 or $15 bucks.  

Consider me suspicious about the motivation for pushing this vaccine on every young female in the country. Especially since Cervical Cancer isn't a leading killer of women, and most people who get HPV won't die from it.  

 



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Re: Gardasil. Just thinking. 

A possible outcome, if I was using an medical insurance company or paying taxes for public medical assistance. 

If a medical procedure, vaccine, drug treatment has been safe and effective, and affordable;

You (or parents) defer the procedure for any reason and you later get this ailment or complications from this ailment, Insurance reimbursement from either private or public shall be denied. If you are afforded treatment in Texas {state} and you deny service, and then move to another state you will be denied insurance reimbursement. 

IOW, personal responsibility. Opting In =paper nightmare=more taxpayer $. Outing out= probably simplier but if Texas requires more than a signature and ID,  complicates system.



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Didn't watch it, not even clips of the more memorable exchanges, but it sounds like it went about as to be expected. Did hear that whatshisname... the one from MN... endorsed Romney and that Bobby Jindal came out for Perry. Once again, about what you might expect. It will be interesting to see where and who Rubio shows up for.

The three knocks on Perry I can think of right off-hand would be the vaccine issue, the allegations of crony capitalism, and the Trans-Texas corridor. Not that there won't be more, but those are the ones the Houston Chronicle has devoted a lot of column inches to over the years.

The vaccine issue I could care less about. It never came to fruition, which indicates he's not as single-minded as a democrat is when he/she decides what's best for all. And, he admits it was a mistake. Live and learn and all that. And if his campaign sinks under the weight of the crony capitalism charges, I'll be surprised - expecially if it's from an avalanche of examples of it rather than the recycling of of the same few.

His Trans-Texas effort was not one of his finer moments and he'll end up paying for that in this race, I think.



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Probably because they thought he said "treasonist" like I did. It sounded like a bizarre, off the wall comment. I might have laughed if I heard him say "teasonist" because that's actually kind of funny.

I think Romney kicked butt, though the audience obviously didn't care for him. He's too centrist, doesn't have enough populist lines that mean absolutely nothing, but sound good to the crowd. I am always annoyed by the overly simplistic, memorized slogans people use, and they don't even answer the question. Like Michelle Bachman, did she even answer the question one time, that was asked on this debate or the last? Why do they let her get away with that anyways? I thought her response to the cervical cancer vaccine was purely weird. Oh my God, they're forcing kids to put this foreign substance in their body. So.....requiring, or requesting kids to have any vaccines is abusive? Cervical cancer is deadly, and HELLO, you can talk all day about personal responsibility but a parent can't take the responsibility to sign a form that opts out of a vaccine? I just don't think that's a big deal, if you have a huge problem with it, opt out of it for your kid. Sure, probably better that the parent opt in, but I'm guessing that's an issue for the state of Texas to deal with.

Perry's okay, sometimes I like his answers, but I wonder if he's purely full of it. He was really hammered on all sides, and may have deserved it... I don't know. Anyone from Texas here have the real story?

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Miss Angola, wins 2011 Miss Universe.evileye

China, 4st runner up

Phillipines, 3rd runner up

Brazil, 2nd runner up

Ukraine, 1st runner up

 

I missed the swim suit competition. And all the closeups. evileye



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Clearly he thought that was a very witty comment and would get a great response from the audience. I felt sorry for the guy. He looked very deflated when he got no reaction.blankstare



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Huntsman, "What Gov Perry said that the Borders cannot be secured, Is a teasonist comment."



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find it kinda disgusting to see who is further to the Rightashamed

Out here, in the West, Miss Universebiggrin is up against the slugout

 



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Pretty interesting in some spots! My takeaway: Perry is not dummy (okay, I saw his college transcript and thought maybe he was). His retort to Romney's poker reference was pretty good! On the other hand, he looks like a sleazy used car salesman; and what's up with the blinking eyes and vacant, robotic stare? Sort of weird.

Bachmann nailed him on Gardisal and his possible connection to Merck. This is the big take-a-way, I think.  She put him on the defensive in a number of ways.

Romney (my choice) did just okay. His responses seemed a bit canned. But I think he appears to be more human than Perry, and a nicer guy.

Judging by tonight's debate, I think Perry may fade.

Overall--fun! I love these debates! I'd love to hear your thoughts!



-- Edited by hope on Monday 12th of September 2011 08:01:12 PM

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