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RE: more politicians trying to limit union power
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Razor- police and fire can not struck. Teachers and other public sector workers are not prohibited from striking but are always ordered by court injunction to return to work as soon as they do walk out.

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btw

have you looked at a modern factory?

See any people?



-- Edited by longprime on Friday 29th of April 2011 11:17:54 PM

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People do take the extremes, I do to in order to test possible outcomes. 

1. You can have low expenses and possible high returns. 

2. You can have high expenses and possible low returns. 

example 1. B Madoff Investments. 

example 2. Mortgage train. 

 

Politics really doesn't have anything to do with anything except for one thing. Has been and will always be about that one thing. When you get two fractions, things get polarized real quick. When you get more than two, politics becomes rocky but fairly stable because of the formation of alliances and realignments ( you always have to face some party and at the same time turn your back on some other party.) If you only have one party, you get stability only while you keep everyone happy. 

 



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soccerguy315 wrote:

IMO the discussion is a fair one to have... whether it is better to maybe have fewer jobs that are better, or more jobs that are worse?

Boeing (I think) is trying to build some of a new contract in a different state (SC? Georgia? somewhere like that) instead of Washington, and the union workers in Washington are throwing a fit. You have to understand that if someone else is willing to do the work for less, it could mean the end of your job.


 

 frame A. 

Union should say that the SC operation enhances job security. Somewhere up in the near future, when the SC operation is up and running, the SC workers are going to say, 'Why is my standand of living, lower than my counter part in  WA, doing the same work?'  I AM NOT GOING TO FLY A PLANE PUT TOGETHER BY UNHAPPY WORKERS. 

Frame B:

Boeing and Union have to insure that the  WA employee is also a fairly treated employee. Because I AM NOT GOING TO FLY A PLANE PUT TOGETHER BY UNHAPPY WORKERS.

I like to live. 

Nor are insurance companies going to insure airplanes or airlines, they like to make money. 



-- Edited by longprime on Friday 29th of April 2011 11:13:03 PM

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IMO the discussion is a fair one to have... whether it is better to maybe have fewer jobs that are better, or more jobs that are worse?

Boeing (I think) is trying to build some of a new contract in a different state (SC? Georgia? somewhere like that) instead of Washington, and the union workers in Washington are throwing a fit. You have to understand that if someone else is willing to do the work for less, it could mean the end of your job.

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"Just grind all American workers down to third world levels."

That's exactly the goal. Keep wages low to make us more competitive to increase our manufacturing base, increase inflation by crushing the dollar to increase exports and reduce the trade imbalance.



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Those are probably the truest words spoken here tonight, Longprime.



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if the R's keep pushing, they could be pushed right over the right cliff. 

I think mid America, is conflicted and when the reality hits, they are going to wish for something else. 



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Just grind all American workers down to third world levels.

That's the way to build a strong economy and have a stable democracy.

How many countries have to get ahead of us in terms of wealth and quality of life before the American people realize they have been betrayed?

 

 



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Government employees should be able to form unions but not have the right to strike.

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the Democrats in Massachusetts have joined in

 

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2011/04/27/house_votes_to_limit_bargaining_on_health_care/?page=full



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