He's a man. If it's a job for a man, then he should have it.
I have to mention this to my husband because I didn't know and I don't think he does either, that sometimes there are monitors. There is a pee-pee truck on his job and the monitors don't watch, but do take the temperature of the pee, so some folks pee on behalf of others. They should know that sometimes it can be watched.
This man will win his case. Because even if he wasn't born that way, he is a male.
If he was in the first stages of transition, I can see how this may be perceived differently until the process was complete. But that wasn't the case, here.
Why exactly does it require what you call a biological male? Who says? It seems to me it requires, at most (and that's really stretching it), someone who's perceived as male by the people who are being observed, and, therefore, doesn't make them uncomfortable and give them shy kidney because there's a woman watching them. And that has nothing to do with your chromosomes. Or your genitals, unless you think the people observing should have to take their clothes off to do do their job.
Every time you see a guy walk into the men's room, do you demand to see his genitals, or ask for a karotype? If not, why not?
I don't see the logical difference. (And that's wholly apart from the fact that such discrimination is almost certainly illegal under New Jersey law.)
-- Edited by DonnaL on Saturday 23rd of April 2011 11:08:31 PM
I'm against discrimination, but I don't see this as being wrong. The job requires a biological male, the person in question is not a biological male. They aren't firing the employee because the boss doesn't like transgendered people, it's because the employee does not fit the job requirements that deal with observing men use the bathroom.
Poor bastard. I don't care how you came by your gender, when the inevitable topic comes up in conversation, "so, how's work?" what do you say? Yeah, it's a real pisser.
How about your kids telling their class what dad does for a living? This fella needs our sympathy not our condemnation. Though it must be said, all things considered, that the dude made quite an unusual career choice at the very least. I agree, it does sound like a bad job. Hopefully the person in question finds a better one.
Poor bastard. I don't care how you came by your gender, when the inevitable topic comes up in conversation, "so, how's work?" what do you say? Yeah, it's a real pisser.
How about your kids telling their class what dad does for a living? This fella needs our sympathy not our condemnation. Though it must be said, all things considered, that the dude made quite an unusual career choice at the very least.
I'm not transphobic... I'm just saying if the job is men only, and you aren't a man, then you shouldn't have the job. Just like if the job is college degree required, and you don't have a college degree, then you shouldn't have the job.
And I definitely have no plans to ever live in new jersey... high taxes, awesome ghettos, funny stench, and you can't even pump your own gas.
I'm glad I didn't notice this thread until now. The couple of posts that addressed the actual topic contain the usual transphobic s*** one might expect. News bulletin for the clueless: this guy is a man. Lives as one, looks like one, is one. Nobody would ever have known about his history if someone hadn't told his boss. Firing him was very clearly illegal under New Jersey law. You don't like it? Don't live there, or anywhere else where the law actually deigns to protect trans people. End of story.
-- Edited by DonnaL on Sunday 17th of April 2011 01:19:36 AM
"But there is some joy in inflicting that knowledge on others."
There is often quite a bit of knowledge inflicted on this site I would rather not be aware of!
"Hey, the urine flows freely on this site with everyone watching. After all, what is this about other than "pissing contests"?"
Alot more than urine flowing freely on here, that's for sure. And I'll leave the pissing contests to you and the boys, seeing as you guys seem to take such obvious pleasure in it.
Hey, the urine flows freely on this site with everyone watching. After all, what is this about other than "pissing contests"? :) Only the names are changed to protect the incurably feisty.
A transgender employee hired to oversee urine tests administered to men has filed a discrimination lawsuit against a Camden drug treatment center that fired him after it confronted him about his gender last summer.
If a heterosexual man is not permitted to observe women urinating and a heterosexual man is not permitted to observe a man urinating, should a transgender man or woman be permitted to observe members of the opposite sex urinating?
-- Edited by Razorsharp on Tuesday 12th of April 2011 06:43:05 PM
-- Edited by Razorsharp on Tuesday 12th of April 2011 06:44:48 PM
-- Edited by Razorsharp on Tuesday 12th of April 2011 06:47:31 PM
