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Dr. King was a Baptist minister back in the middle of the twentieth century.

Black, white, or asian those guys doted on fried chicken, waffles optional.  Of course we all did back then because, prior to the establishment of modern chicken farming, chicken was special, celebratory food.

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Maybe it was a salute to his southern roots?   Everyone in the South eats chicken and waffles....no matter what your color is.

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So, what did MLK like to have for dinner?

We must know!

And, fwiw, if the world in its wisdom would like to honor my memory with a specific cuisine, an honorary dish, I would not at all mind fish & chips, or corned beef & cabbage...though I would be appalled by anything with green beans as a side. And though it would not dishonor my sacred memory, were I still alive I would refuse to eat it.

I know exactly where you are coming from, here.

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Again, Martin Luther King Day is meant to commemorate the man, not African American culture. It's like saying many southern blacks like chicken and waffles together as a meal. MLK was black. So he must have liked chicken and waffles.

St. Patrick's Day may have started out centuries ago to commemorate an individual, but today that holiday has evolved and celebrates Irish heritage in general. From wikipedia:

'Saint Patrick's Day (Irish: Lá Fhéile Pádraig) is a religious holiday on the 17th of March. It is named after Saint Patrick (circa AD 387–461), the most commonly recognised of the patron saints of Ireland. It began as a purely Catholic holiday and became an official feast day in the early 17th century. It has gradually become more of a secular celebration of Ireland's culture'.

Again, that is not the case with MLK Day, the day is meant to celebrate him and his efforts to promote justice and equality. Another distinction is that MLK is within living memory, unlike a legendary saint such as St. Patrick.

As I mentioned before, George Washington's cherry pie is related to a tall tale, not about Americans or people of European descent and their culture, but about GW. If his birthday had evolved to become symbolic of the country as a whole , and not George himself then a maybe we'd be doing the winter equivalent of a fourth of July spread.

A menu that is a special occasion food with no such connotations or associations would have been fine. And if a group of African American students wanted chicken and waffles just because they wanted to have chicken and waffles, that's obviously fine, too. But to put it out and advertise it to the broader community as a MLK Day menu was simply not in the best taste. Again, none of this should be the biggest deal. Sometimes people get it wrong and they learn and life goes on. I think the chef meant well and even did the right thing by asking the students. But if the goal was to celebrate MLK, I think there were better ways.

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I wonder how the twit that filed the complaint feels about peanut butter?

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My grandmother grew up in the south. ... I couldn't get through a meal at house without eating something fried and absolutely delicious.

My grandmother's cooking was the same. Her Banana Fritters were great.

Except, she lived her entire life in New England.






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SamuraiLandshark wrote:

Sandy Banks at the Los Angeles Times did a follow up story in today's paper:



The chef had actually asked a group of black students what kind of food they would like to see on the menu for that day.  He prides himself on providing comfort food to his students.

It just proves the adage that you will always make someone unhappy, even with the best of intentions.


Thanks for the follow up, sls. I was thinking that it might help if the chef could work with a group of black students to help prepare a menu next year. It's even more surprising that the menu was controversial given that he did exactly that. I wonder if it was only the one student who had a problem with the meal, and the whole thing got blown out of proportion. 

"The meal passed uneventfully except for one member of the Black Student Union, who lodged a formal complaint, she said." (from the original article)

 



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waffles are awesome.

so is chicken.

some people are just looking for trouble.

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Sandy Banks at the Los Angeles Times did a follow up story in today's paper:


The chef had actually asked a group of black students what kind of food they would like to see on the menu for that day.  He prides himself on providing comfort food to his students.

It just proves the adage that you will always make someone unhappy, even with the best of intentions.


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My grandmother grew up in the south.  I suspect that many of the foods she ate with great frequency were eaten by those of any color, and across all economic lines.  Fried chicken is absolutely a southern thing.   So is sweet tea.  

I couldn't get through a meal at her house without eating something fried and absolutely delicious.  She grew up poor during the depression in the south.  She made things last and used them till they wore out, and then some.





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IMO the reason it's insensitive to link MLK with chicken and waffles is because MLK himself was not known in any specific or personal way related to this meal.”


What if..... the cafeteria had posted a sign that said:
"In celebration of MLK Jr Day we will be having surf n turf. Lobster and filet for everyone"

would have have been construed as insulting? Puzzling, perhaps.
It's pretty common around here for bakeries to advertise Cherry Pie's in Feb for Washington's birthday. No one appears insulted.

What would one eat to properly celebrate MLK?



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I think medieval clergy preferred wine...

Green wine?

Not dark green but pale green is certainly possible without modern coloring agents.

"Corned" beef is salt cured beef and was certainly a medieval food. Cabbage saved Northern Europe from scurvy before the advent of modern transportation.

I wonder what they did with all those snakes? Properly prepared reptile is quite tasty. The story about him driving the snakes out of Ireland is probably bowdlerized. I betcha he got everybody to cooperate in bashing their little heads and a fine feast of smashed ophidian was enjoyed by all.

-- Edited by BigG on Thursday 27th of January 2011 09:50:19 AM

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IMO the reason it's insensitive to link MLK with chicken and waffles is because MLK himself was not known in any specific or personal way related to this meal.

Whereas medieval paintings of St. Patrick always showed him with a plate of corned beef and cabbage and a glass of green beer?

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I had never heard of the combination of chicken and waffles. A quick chicken and waffles web search brought up pages of hits. I never knew that there were so many chicken and waffles restaurants, SLS. Your husband might be on to something.

Here's a little wiki history:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_and_waffles

After reading a few of the web sites and the wiki article, I don't think the menu was meant to be an insult to the remembrance of ML King Jr. I love the idea of serving foods that honor our traditions, and a nice comforting soul food style menu seems very appropriate. There's no shame in keeping our traditions alive and introducing them to others. If it's being done in a ridiculing way, then that's different, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

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chicken is probably a staple in most everyone's diet...poor or rich. I don't so how this can offend anyone unless they are indeed looking to be offended.

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IMO the reason it's insensitive to link MLK with chicken and waffles is because MLK himself was not known in any specific or personal way related to this meal. The meal was featured for no other reason than the fact that it is a stereotypical dish associated with black people. Stereotyping black people kind of runs in stark contrast to everything MLK stood for. It is different from, say, serving cherry pie for Washington's bday,which is based on an anecdote related to him even if it's one that was mostly folklore.

I am not buying the argument about people who are too easily offended. I'm not either, personally, but because not everyone looks hard to BE offended, doesn't give the excuse to anyone to offend or be insensitive, either.

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I get it, but I think the only people who could be offended are people looking to be offended.

I think the sensitivity comes from the fact that so many insults to blacks involve comments about lifestyle habits associated with slaves in the south.  Associating blacks with chicken and watermelon, for instance.  But waffles?  Not so much.  That's a stretch.

it's not just the food itself, it's the fact that blacks occupied the lowest of the social classes in the south, and therefore typically ate "po folks" food.  Whites ate poor folks food when they were poor, but had other food when they had money.  Blacks rarely had any money.  Therefore the association of blacks with "soul food" was a way of saying they're just low class.  A lot of people outside the south don't make these associations, and that's completely understandable. 

If you want to see a perfect example of what I'm talking about, think back to To Kill a Mockingbird, when Scout's friends put molasses on their food, and her reaction.  That was the author's way of showing the differences in their social classes.



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I don't get the offense either-- unless the cafeteria served bad, undelicious chicken and waffles that would be insulting to black people who wanted to eat a combination of foods that, traditionally, a lot of black people like.

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http://atlanta.citysearch.com/profile/11551008/atlanta_ga/gladys_knight_ron_winan_s_chicken_and_waffles.html

One of many...

Traditional "soul food"...

Much better than green beer for St.Patrick's Day...

Now I am hungry.

-- Edited by BigG on Wednesday 26th of January 2011 09:38:50 PM

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But I still don't understand. Would it have been okay if it said "meatloaf and french fries?" Or something else? I'm slow, indulge me. What is wrong with chicken or waffles? He was a brave man, and he wasn't a waffler, so I don't see any insult!!

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I guess on the sign it said "In honor of Martin Luther King Day: Chicken and Waffles".





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I don't understand the offense. Why would that possibly be offensive? Two of my favorite foods, is there some racially offensive component to that? Or was that what he ate the day he was murdered? Now that would definitely be awful. Apparently I'm not very bright either! At least not in the "how not to offend" category.

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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/01/chicken-and-waffles-mlk-day.html

Who doesn't like chicken and waffles?  The chef may not be very bright or even realize why this may have raised anyone's hackles, but I bet the food was delicious...or as delicious as cafeteria food can be.

My husband has this bizarre dream of running a chicken and waffle house.  I am not kidding.  He doesn't hardly cook, barely understands how to run the dishwasher, can't set the table with any kind of precision and I have never seen him eat both of these at one time. Yet, he is smitten with this idea.  Can't explain it.  I think it's because of time he spent in the south where he loved that happy ambience and good, comfort food.

Or maybe he is just weird.




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