Political & Elections

cartera..that was great, will show my freshman daughter who is very smart and that fits perfectly. Intelligence girls intimidate most of the, well let's say..not so smart boys. I know sometimes she wonders why the boys flock to the "easy apples" on the ground.....and not her.

Maybe more girls need to feel this way -

http://phocks.org/stumble/girlsarelike.php

I agree that it is heartbreakingly sad. I wonder what we're doing wrong that we aren't helping black and hispanic women make better choices to head off such misery. I would much prefer that the choice wasn't abortion or unwanted children. I refuse to believe that we can't do better than that.


It is heartbreaking. And to most of these mothers, abortion is a terrible experience. I came off sounding a lot more harsh than I meant it to (hate monotone internet speech. So impersonal). I just meant that it's not some sort of conspiracy.

Personally, I think we need to start young and make sure that women have self esteem. I'm not usually for censorship, but I really do think media has gotten out of hand. Women are treated like dirt in a lot of popular music and culture and it really isn't easy to grow up as a strong, independent woman in the era of Mean Girls and rap. It is even harder in inner cities where women treated like property is becoming a way of life. I don't know how to fix it. It needs to start in the schools because it doesn't seem like parents are doing much to help it.

I personally could never get an abortion (it is just my own personal view), but that doesn't mean I believe in making them illegal or hard to get or anything of the sort. I just don't believe that that would lead to anything good.

^ What are you talking about? I really don't quite understand your post.

Yes, I agree they're scum. Where did I say they weren't? No one asked you to have sympathy. I asked people to be realistic. Just because the parents made mistakes doesn't mean that the child or the rest of society should have to pay for the consequences. As our system stands now, that's what happens. Abortion is an alternative to this.

One of the saddest commentaries on our society, a number I can barely comprehend without sobbing; minority children being aborted at alarming rates. What does that say about NYC?

So? Honestly, so what? If they are getting an abortion, the children are obviously not wanted and therefore should not come into this world under deplorable conditions. Minorities are growing MUCH faster than whites so it's not as though this is some sort of conspiracy to get rid of minorities. That is just where there is a higher demand for it.

Forget birth control for a minute. Where's the self-control? More proof of a society that is impulsive, craves instant gratifiation, self-centered and does what feels good. What about NO!!


Yes they do. It's a terrible society. But guess what? It's REALITY. We can't put our heads in the sand and pretend that society is going to change. We are based on individual choice and instant gratification- it is how our economy thrives. So, we deal with the consequences- and that means higher abortion rates.

I believe a major factor in this is money. Who makes money off the abortion industry? Who sets up shops in poor, urban neighborhoods? Who gives large amounts of money to lpro-choice candidates and causes? Abortion is a gazillion dollar industry and sadly, IMO the pro-choice folks want it to stay that way.


Abortions are expensive in many areas, but they are also highly subsidized in many places. It is also much cheaper to get an abortion than to raise a child so it is a cost many people make willingly. If not, they have the kid and give it up for adoption or go on welfare. Who does that hurt? Oh yeah... the tax payer. Could you get us ANY statistics on the "abortion industry" before you make claims like it "is a gazillion dollar industry"?


I have always found it highly ironic that the same people who support making abortions illegal are the same people that want to cut the welfare that these children (through no fault of their own) depend on in very high numbers. They are also the same people that never push for reform in the adoption industry that makes it easier for people to get children. The adoption industry as it stands now is despicable but somehow, I don't see pro-lifers pushing to change THAT. It would appear, from the outside, that these people merely care that these kids take a first breath. After that, the kids become unimportant. I will never understand this mentality.

CelticClan07 wrote:

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This figure is naseating.  What's even more disturbing to me is the percentage of black and Hispanics this number includes.

 

Broken down by race for 2009:

Specifically non-Hispanic Blacks have a 59.8% abortion rate.

Hispanics have a 41.3% abortion rate.

Asians have a 22.7% abortion rate.

And non-Hispanic Whites have a 20.4% abortion

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=7883827

One of the saddest commentaries on our society, a number I can barely comprehend without sobbing; minority children being aborted at alarming rates. What does that say about NYC?

Forget birth control for a minute. Where's the self-control?  More proof of a society that is impulsive, craves instant gratifiation, self-centered and does what feels good. What about NO!!

I believe a major factor in this is money.  Who makes money off the abortion industry?  Who sets up shops in poor, urban neighborhoods? Who gives large amounts of money to lpro-choice candidates and causes?  Abortion is a gazillion dollar industry and sadly, IMO the pro-choice folks want it to stay that way.

 

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Another dog bites man story. Do you want me to post up similar statistics in regards to illegitimate births, academic failure or criminality?

Liberalism has been very good at letting stupid people get away with stupid things.

Certainly many self confident, educated, women say no to men who refuse to wear a condom. Take away the confidence, the education and the age and you easily get completely different results.

You make it sound like not getting pregnantt is a hassle...shouldn't it be?

Good heavens, no. If two 15-year-olds are having sex, I want it to be the easiest thing in the world for the girl not to get pregnant. I don't want to put a single barrier in the way of preventing unwanted pregnancies.

Preventing STD's is everyone's responsibility.

I was always annoyed when I had to pay full price for birth control prescriptions, but pregnancies were covered.

Well, think of it this way- would you rather the babies be born? Think about how much welfare it would cost and how much of a burden it would be on the system.

And I don't know. Birth control is very expensive if you have crappy health care. When I was under 18, my birth control was free through Planned Parenthood. Then they wanted to charge me something like $40 per month when I went to college because they consider financial aid to be part of your income. Between FA and everything- I make about $40k a year according to them, which pushes me into the highest income of their system. Before I switched over to better medical insurance- my BC was still costing me $25 a month for generic pills. Now it's only $10 which I can do. I have been on the pill since I was 15 so that becomes a pretty heavy burden after a while if you have bad health insurance.

As for condoms- unfortunately we have a culture that says condoms aren't cool or "natural". There is a stigma against going to the store to get them and a lot of men simply won't. They believe it is the "woman's job" to make sure she doesn't get pregnant. It's sad and sickening but it's the truth.

And as for common sense- you need to get common sense from somewhere. Unfortunately, many schools no longer talk to kids about safe sex (this is a generality- I am sure that NY schools DO talk to students) and parents assume that their kids won't do it or that the school will give them all their info. As a result, we get most of our sex education through music and videos- something that obviously does NOT promote safe sex. It's a terrible environment for a young woman to be raised in right now. We're expected to put out and then just "get rid of" the consequences.