Political & Elections

Canuckguy · Veteran Member

RE: China Able to Build Stealth Fighters and Carrier Busting Missles?

BigG · Guru

Consider the source but this article paints a disturbing picture;

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/01/07/chinas-new-fighter-jet-pose-terrifying-challenge-fleet/

Anybody got a current Jane's subscription?

-- Edited by BigG on Monday 10th of January 2011 07:08:09 PM

BigG · Guru

I am pretty sure China does not require any parts from us for their military.

We are dependant on them for strategic materials.

http://www.businessinsider.com/americas-best-military-technology-is-now-dependent-on-chinas-rare-earth-monopoly-2010-8#

How smart is this?

Iran became dependant upon us for critical componets. We are allowing China the same advantage we have over Iran.

If we give away the aerospace industry the same way we have many other sectors of the economy, who's jets will be sitting on the runway wiithout parts?

-- Edited by BigG on Monday 10th of January 2011 03:42:18 PM

pima · Guru

You also need to see the bigger picture.

Who will be China's ally if they attack us?

Remember the 35 is being sold to countries around the world including the Pacific. I think you put too much into China's ability and are forgetting it is pretty hard to get a shot off at us when we are stationed globally...SKorea, Japan, Germany, UK, etc. just for AF bases now add in Navy ships. Than add in our Intel regarding the military.

You are not giving enough credit to our fine military service members and how fast the military can react.

Be like Iran and tick us off and all you will have sitting on your runways are rusted out fighter jets with no spare parts to get them up in the air.

That is the big reason we sell to our friendlies, because they now have a financial investment to play nice.

The other is when we sell to them, they always get upgrades after we have already upgraded again, so in case they don't behave we have a technological advantage.

Seriously give me the scenario of why China would ever attack us? Financially they own us now and will for decades, so by starting a war all they would accomplish is what?

If I was really worried about any country attacking us it would be Russia, because of Putin. For them it is a nothing loss situation.

When there is nothing to be lost that is when you take the greatest risks.

-- Edited by pima on Monday 10th of January 2011 01:46:33 PM

BigG · Guru

We haven't reacted to the economic threat. Quislings within our own ruling elite have been instrumental in China's rise.

Will we react to the military threat in an era of austerity?

If you won't or can't fight, you lose.

Its just that simple.

Not this year or next year, but within ten years, they will be able to "take" us.
Our military is gearing up to suppress insurgents. We will be well prepared for the previous war. Just like always.

An ICBM that can hit a carrier totally obviates that resource.

-- Edited by BigG on Monday 10th of January 2011 12:18:19 PM

-- Edited by BigG on Monday 10th of January 2011 12:20:20 PM

pima · Guru

So you believe that China is a strong threat military that can take down the US?

BigG · Guru

The Chinese seem to be breaking the paradigms regarding the length of a generation.

pima · Guru

The Chinese's new fighter is not on the same level of the 35. It is a gen 4, the 35 is a gen 5.

From another forum, but the author of the post is Bullet, who works at the Pentagon

As to China's reasons for this rather public display of their high speed taxi tests? Well, just speculation here, but the SECDEF arrives in China this weekend, at the same airport this bird is currently parked at. Not-so-subtle message for when he steps of the flight stairs and this bird is sitting on the taxiway across from him. Sort of like: "Look what we can do". I can only hope his response to that statement is "not much".

BigG · Guru

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/world/asia/09military.html

"We have been watching them but couldn't tell how fast they were moving."

Gimme a break. The intelligence community has been focused on the
Middle East and almost ignoring China.

"They can't wipe us ourt for at least 5 years. Who's next?"

longprime · Guru

While doing a little research on stealth technology on wiki, discovered that Lockheed "Stole" the idea from the soviets in a openly published scientific paper (Russian)

longprime · Guru

So how come, We haven't fielded a stealthy capital naval vessel?

After all, the stealth planes have been around and operational since the early 80's (wow, nearly 30 years)

longprime · Guru

Perhaps.

May be the discovery that the old Soviet Union had the BOMB, eventually made global wars an obsolete concept.

NOVA several years ago did a show on stealth technology.
You only have to look at a stealth plane to immediately understand how stealth works.

Technology has no secrets for long.

BigG · Guru

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-05/china-s-ballistic-missile-stealth-fighter-advances-draw-attention-of-u-s-.html

I am deeply suspicious of a government functionary stating that they were mostly right.

Carriers made battleships obsolete.

Is it the carriers turn now?

50 million dollars worth of missle destroys 4 to 5 billion dollars worth of aircraft carrier?