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Date: Jan 8, 2011
RE: Autism study
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Have no idea if BPA causes autism, but there is BPA in breast milk, depending on the mother's diet of course. Also, most mothers store breast milk so they would have to be sure not to use storage items that contain BPA.

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Where to being here??

Let's see - first of all...... kids DIE from Measles. There are many serious complication from Measles which include pneumonia and encephalitis. It is highly contagious and the death rate in an unvaccinated population is about 3/1000.
Mumps not only can cause sterility in males but is complicated by meningitis. Kids would die from this as well.
Rubella (or 3 day measles) causes severe birth defects when contracted by females in the first trimester of pregnancy.

To imply that these diseases are rather benign (as the anti-vaccine crowd tends to do) is false.

Lancet rebuked the original study years ago and now the author has not only been found to have perpetuated bad science but is accused of fraud. He should be in jail.

The fact that so many parents were so gullible to fall for his hysteria - is a testament to the lack of science education. Every pediatrician who failed to educate parents should lose their medical license.

Moving on.....
The issue here is that it's unethical to do double blind studies on children. We cannot take 5,000 kids and give them all a shot with 1/2 being the vaccine and 1/2 being a placebo.
Hence, quacks and parents are left to rely on correlation. They fail to understand that correlation does not equal causation.

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Oh jeez, what next. You would think that could be an easy connection ie kids that were breast fed for a long time shouldn't have autism ever, right?

It sounds like they don't have a handle on this at all, and have to do alot more research.

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I have heard the new "cause" for autism and ADHD is BPA.  




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I was hoping someone with knowledge would offer information. I don't have a dog in this fight (man, I hate that phrase), I think it would be worth the risk even if there was an increase in autism, in order to erradicate these terrible diseases.

But I can't believe, after all the hyperbole, that there aren't dozens of studies out there. Was this the only one that showed a connection? Were all the ones that showed no connection written off as evils of the last administration?

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What about all the other ones?

Have there been any other studies that "showed" that vaccines and autism were related? IIRC, at least in Japan, autism rates continued to rise sharply even after discontinuing the MMR vaccine.

I know there have been many, many studies that denied the link, but I can't think of any other studies that supposedly showed a correlation.

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So is this the final word on the autism studies? What about all the other ones? Was this all a Bush administration plot to protect the drug companies and sicken children, as according to Robert F. Kennedy? This is just a snippet here, what about all this?

"The new administration of President Barack Obama also seems to recognize the need for independent studies. HHS Secretary Nominee Tom Daschle said in 2002 that, "Mercury-based vaccine preservatives actually have caused autism in children." And President Obama said on the campaign trail last year, that: "We've seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Some people are suspicious that it's connected to the vaccines. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it."

Hard science is increasingly pointing to vaccines and heavy metals -- among other environmental triggers -- as suspects in the epidemic.

After eight years of secrecy and subterfuge by the Bush Administration, it is time to shed light on the government's abuse and mismanagement of autism research in this country - especially when it comes to investigating evidence of a link to vaccines."

written by Robert F. Kennedy and David Kirby.

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I don't know any parents who didn't have their children immunized due to this study, but I do know that it caused a lot of unnecessary worry. I'm sure there was also a lot of second guessing and misplaced guilt for those parents who immunized their children who were later diagnosed with autism.



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Amazing how often scientific studies support the contention of the principal investigator.

And it is equally amazing how often scientific studies support the fiduciary interests of the funding authority

However, even with other studies refuting the original, it is a tough call for parents.
Many of us survived measles, mumps, and rebulla (German measles or as old folks back home say "bad measles"). Autism is forever.

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I can't tell you how many kids I know who didn't get vaccinated because of this *******.

Even a friend who is a nurse refused to vaccinate her two younger kids because of her son's autism.  She should have known better.



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He deserves to be in jail.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110106/ap_on_he_me/eu_med_autism_fraud

Journal: Study linking vaccine to autism was fraudBuzz up!13 votesEmailPrint

LONDON – The first study to link a childhood vaccine to autism was based on doctored information about the children involved, according to a new report on the widely discredited research.

The conclusions of the 1998 paper by Andrew Wakefield and colleagues was renounced by 10 of its 13 authors and later retracted by the medical journal Lancet, where it was published. Still, the suggestion the MMR shot was connected to autism spooked parents worldwide and immunization rates for measles, mumps and rubella have never fully recovered.

A new examination found, by comparing the reported diagnoses in the paper to hospital records, that Wakefield and colleagues altered facts about patients in their study.

The analysis, by British journalist Brian Deer, found that despite the claim in Wakefield's paper that the 12 children studied were normal until they had the MMR shot, five had previously documented developmental problems. Deer also found that all the cases were somehow misrepresented when he compared data from medical records and the children's parents.

Wakefield could not be reached for comment despite repeated calls and requests to the publisher of his recent book, which claims there is a connection between vaccines and autism that has been ignored by the medical establishment. Wakefield now lives in the U.S. where he enjoys a vocal following including celebrity supporters like Jenny McCarthy.

Deer's article was paid for by the Sunday Times of London and Britain's Channel 4 television network. It was published online Thursday in the medical journal, BMJ.

In an accompanying editorial, BMJ editor Fiona Godlee and colleagues called Wakefield's study "an elaborate fraud." They said Wakefield's work in other journals should be examined to see if it should be retracted.

Last May, Wakefield was stripped of his right to practice medicine in Britain. Many other published studies have shown no connection between the MMR vaccination and autism.

But measles has surged since Wakefield's paper was published and there are sporadic outbreaks in Europe and the U.S. In 2008, measles was deemed endemic in England and Wales.

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