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Former U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay — once one of the most powerful and feared Republicans in Congress — was convicted Wednesday on charges he illegally funneled corporate money to Texas candidates in 2002.

Jurors deliberated for 19 hours before returning guilty verdicts against DeLay on charges of money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering. He faces up to life in prison on the money laundering charge.

After the verdicts were read, DeLay hugged his daughter, Danielle, and his wife, Christine. His lead attorney, Dick DeGuerin, said they planned to appeal the verdict.

"This is an abuse of power. It's a miscarriage of justice, and I still maintain that I am innocent. The criminalization of politics undermines our very system and I'm very disappointed in the outcome," DeLay told reporters outside the courtroom. He remains free on bond, and his sentencing was tentatively set to begin on Dec. 20.

  1. Prosecutors said DeLay, who once held the No. 2 job in the House of Representatives and whose heavy-handed style earned him the nickname "the Hammer," used his political action committee to illegally channel $190,000 in corporate donations into 2002 Texas legislative races through a money swap.

DeLay and his attorneys maintained the former Houston-area congressman did nothing wrong as no corporate funds went to Texas candidates and the money swap was legal.

The verdict came after a three-week trial in which prosecutors presented more than 30 witnesses and volumes of e-mails and other documents. DeLay's attorneys presented five witnesses.

Prosecutors said DeLay conspired with two associates, John Colyandro and Jim Ellis, to use his Texas-based PAC to send $190,000 in corporate money to an arm of the Washington-based Republican National Committee, or RNC. The RNC then sent the same amount to seven Texas House candidates. Under Texas law, corporate money can't go directly to political campaigns.

Prosecutors claim the money helped Republicans take control of the Texas House. That enabled the GOP majority to push through a Delay-engineered congressional redistricting plan that sent more Texas Republicans to Congress in 2004 — and strengthened DeLay's political power.

DeLay's attorneys argued the money swap resulted in the seven candidates getting donations from individuals, which they could legally use in Texas.

They also said DeLay only lent his name to the PAC and had little involvement in how it was run. Prosecutors, who presented mostly circumstantial evidence, didn't prove he committed a crime, they said.

DeLay has chosen to have Senior Judge Pat Priest sentence him. He faces five years to life in prison on the money laundering charge and two to 20 years on the conspiracy charge. He also would be eligible for probation.

The 2005 criminal charges in Texas, as well as a separate federal investigation of DeLay's ties to disgraced former lobbyist Jack Abramoff, ended his 22-year political career representing suburban Houston. The Justice Department probe into DeLay's ties to Abramoff ended without any charges filed against DeLay.

Ellis and Colyandro, who face lesser charges, will be tried later.

Except for a 2009 appearance on ABC's hit television show "Dancing With the Stars," DeLay has been out of the spotlight since resigning from Congress in 2006. He now runs a consulting firm based in the Houston suburb of Sugar Land.



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its over.
move along.
nothing more to see.
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There was and is much to criticize about Sarah Palin; her children were not one of those many things. Too many in the media lost credibility because they could not make the simple and moral distinction involved. To me, characters like Sarah Palin are a test of the mettle of those that claim to be guardians of the 5th estate. Unfortunately, those in the media, as in academia, trend heavily to the left and therefore most of these character-tests involve characters on the right. I should add, that Barack Obama and Hilary also got some of this in their primary race: accusations of sexism and racism were ubiquitous. They may even have been true, but as they came from the camps of the two candidates themselves it was hard to sort out.

In any case, I must say that, in the media itself, I have never seen anything like the moral sloth and ethical hypocrisy that was exposed by the political rise of Sarah Palin. And I am certainly no fan of hers.

I know nothing about this TV show so I can't comment on the light-footed merits or lack thereof in Bristol Palin. Death threats do, however, seem a bit much to someone that has never seen the show: that would have to be some spectacularly bad dancing.



-- Edited by Woodwork on Wednesday 24th of November 2010 10:08:29 AM

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I wasn't speaking of Bristol's appearance on this show.  She is now a grown up and as such can take it.  Although the death threats probably didn't help.  

I was speaking in more general terms of the campaign.  The ugliness that has been said about candidate's/politician's children is generally fairly disgusting.  Poetsheart referenced it in a previous post. It's not cool when it's Palin's kids, or Clinton's kid or McCain's kids or Obama's kids.  It isn't cool when it's a local city council candidate and the kids are attacked, either.


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People who put themselves in the public eye, for example by participating in TV shows that require the public to call in and vote on how well they dance, should expect to be topics of public comment and ridicule. That includes children of politicians. If she can't stand the heat, she shouldn't have gone into the TV kitchen.

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I so hope that one day, the children of politicians and celebrities will be off limits for public commentary and ridicule.

It remains uncool.


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Bullet said:
"I think the back-lash against her just because of her mother is quite frankly disgusting. I could only hope that if this show lasted for another decade and one of the Obama children was asked to participate, the level of vitriol thrown at them due to thier parents political views would not reach these levels."

I think the fact that one of the Obama girls has already taken heat for wearing a tee shirt with a peace sign on the front, and they've been called "ghetto whores" for the mortal sin of wearing shorts on their vacation, pretty much answers how they would be treated as DWTS contestants.no

I have only been a sporadic viewer of the show, and have never been inclined to watch from week to week, but I watched Bristol's performances improve dramatically along the way and its obvious she worked very hard. Maybe they should also award a trophy to the dancer who improved the most over the course of the competition. Bristol certainly would have deserved one of those. I'm glad Jennifer Gray won. She was clearly the most skilled of the finalists.


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Okay, I decided to watch this show tonight.  What's all the fuss? I. Don't. Get. It. 

David Hasselhoff?  Really?  WTF?  An amazing quantity of commercials for the amount of actual content of the show.

Not going to be a spoiler, but I can't believe this show is as successful as it is.  I must be missing something.  Help me understand.



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place you wager.

Eastern Time Zones, please withhold outcome.


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No problem, churchmusicmom. I just felt bad that my flippant remark didn't come across as I meant. disbelief aww

The only reason the show is on the map for me is all the hubbub about Bristol. I'd never given the show a second thought in the past. I wouldn't say I was lured in exactly because I still haven't watched a complete episode, and I've never voted, but it sure has been publicity win for both the network and show.

-- Edited by Artemis on Tuesday 23rd of November 2010 01:45:45 PM

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Ah, Artemis. Forgive my misperception!

There have been a lot of people who very earnestly expressed what you said, though. So I assumed this was the case.

But you know what they say about "ASS-u-me". Happens every time!

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damn, 
I told DS not sell DIS.


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Bristol's doing EXACTLY what ABC hoped she would be doing when they first signed her on for the show: create a "buzz" in the media which would in turn create ratings, which in turns adds advertising dollars to ABC's bottom line. See "Kate Goselin" for an earlier example of the exact same program strategy.

Can I see a "conspiracy" from ABC to keep her on longer to create even more "buzz"? Certainly.

Can I see Bristol getting a lot of "sympathy" votes for people who just like rooting for the underdog, or people who feel the other contestants have an unfair background in dancing? Certainly, as well.

Can I see a "conspiracy" of Tea-Party backers "stuffing" the ballot box here?
Sure.  But exaclty how is that any different than the social networking phenomenon of organizing support associated with other reality shows like American Idol and such?

Frankly, I just say "Bravo, Bristol" for putting up with all the hype and crap around her right now, and for actually doing what the show was hoping for: taking a D-list celebrity with little or no dancing talent and watch them improve week to week to the point where you can say, "hey, not bad. Appreciate the effort."

I think the back-lash against her just because of her mother is quite frankly disgusting. I could only hope that if this show lasted for another decade and one of the Obama children was asked to participate, the level of vitriol thrown at them due to thier parents political views would not reach these levels.

-- Edited by Bullet on Tuesday 23rd of November 2010 12:35:47 PM

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I was joking about the "fix", churchmusicmom. wink smile

-- Edited by Artemis on Tuesday 23rd of November 2010 12:39:11 PM

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winchester;

I did not dyslexically mis-spell Bristol's name this time, although I had done it,
The thread's title was a way to say her name as if one was to cheer out,  Bristol, prolonging the last syllable


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Yeah. He is a hoot!

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I like Kyle.  Couldn't you just eat him up?

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There is no "fix" here. Jennifer Grey is a wonderful dancer and I tried hard to vote for her but could not get through either on the phone or via online voting. And, yes, I am a fan of the show and have watched it all season. Bristol has done really well, though frankly I am really surprised at how kindly the judges have treated her. People are apparently moved to vote for her because she HAS come so far and she is a genuinely like-able person.

And, justamomof4, EACH of the final three got a judge to coach them for the finale. Bristol had Bruno; Kyle had Len Goodman and Jennifer had Carrie Ann.

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I think Jennifer has it in the bag. The fix was in from the get go..lol

I don't even watch the show, but it sure has gotten tons of publicity this year with Bristol. She's been a real draw whether fan or foe.

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Why the misspelling in the title of this thread?
 
I don't watch the show.  Maybe it's an inside reference?

Are you saying Bristol Palin is a tool?  If so, of whom?

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ABC will make sure Jennifer Grey will win even though she is a whiner.
They even provided a JUDGE to coach her!
I didn't see Kyle or Bristol get coaching by a judge. Actually it won't surprise me if Kyle wins. He has done great and has a great attitude. The audience this time just doesn't like Jennifer.


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Jennifer Grey will win.

BTW LongPrime, I love Pawn Stars, it is the modern day Antiques Roadshow. Some of the stuff that they get is insane.

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Bristol winning? Won't happen. ABC will make sure Jennifer Grey wins because "nobody puts Baby in a corner. Nobody!"


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I too, don't watch DWTS. Its  a political issue. 
Watching "Pawn Stars".


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Sorry, I would play but I have never watched the show.




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longprime,

Are your threads radioactive or something?

No one wants to play.

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The "fix" is in. My ouija board divines that the media moguls have decreed a Bristol victory as a precursor to her Mom's Presidential campaign.

Whether they mean for her to win or President O. to repeat is "unclear at this time".... no wait... that was the "mystic eight ball's" prediction.

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Giving Odds that Bristol will Win. 3 to 2. 


GET YOUR ODDS IN NOW BEFORE
TUES NITE.



-- Edited by longprime on Monday 22nd of November 2010 04:02:55 PM

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