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Cardinal Fang · Senior Member

RE: Radical right-wing Christian accuses Medal of Honor of being "feminized"

longprime · Guru

certainly agree with you, B.

Bullet · Senior Member

I respectfully suggest that if Mr. Fischer has any objections to the current method of recognizing heroism in the military, he is more than welcome to pick up a gun, get over to Afghanistan, and demonstrate what he considers is the proper method to us all.

Until then, I also (not so respectfully) suggest he stick to mis-interpreting the New Testament and stay out of passing judgement on the military's method of recognizing courage and sacrifice.

As to Sgt Giunta: I have had the honor of personally meeting a few MOH recepients (note I said recepients; they would NEVER consider themselves "winners" for receiving this honor); this very select club will proudly welcome him to their brotherhood with open arms.

It is miltiary protocol that when two military members are "under cover" (outside, wearing of the service cap), the lower ranking individual renders the salute and the higher ranking individual returns this display of respect. For MOH recepients, there is a special rule: they are ALWAYS saluted first, regardless of rank (even the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, a Four-star General, would salute Sgt. Giunta first).

I would be proud to render salute to Sgt. Giunta, and I know that EVERY military member I know would feel the same. Regardless of what this "Reverend" thinks.

There is a special place in H-E--double-hockey- sticks reserved for Mr. Fischer, one full of mirrors where he is made to pass judgement on himself.

-- Edited by Bullet on Monday 22nd of November 2010 06:31:11 AM

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DonnaL · Senior Member

Let him suggest that to the FDNY and see how far he gets.

I always thought that protecting people and saving lives were among the most traditionally "masculine" virtues there are. But maybe that's just me.

-- Edited by DonnaL on Sunday 21st of November 2010 10:57:29 PM

berurah · Senior Member

I saw several interviews with Giunta. He is an incredibly impressive young man. Nothing phony about this young man's humility...he's as humble as they come. He was so deserving of the Medal of Honor. Imho, he epitomizes the perfect soldier.

Billy · Senior Member

The "radical right-wing 'Christian' " obviously just wants attention. Why, I don't know. But the things he says are very messed up.

soccerguy315 · Guru

here's another link on Giunta, includes a non PC interview: http://restrepothemovie.com/

q: "what went threw your head when you heard you were going to be up for a Medal of Honor?"
a: "**** you... in painting the picture of the ambush, it was just my brush stroke... not above and beyond"

on 60 minutes interview:
q: "how good a soldier are you?"
a: "average... mediocre"

it is strange that there haven't been very many awarded in Iraq and Afghanistan.

BigG · Guru

Rev.Fischer's biography.

http://action.afa.net/detail.aspx?id=2147486648

I couldn't find any reference to military service.

-- Edited by BigG on Sunday 21st of November 2010 07:28:51 PM

Cardinal Fang · Senior Member

Salvatore Giunta is awarded Medal of Honor (with video)

I found it impossible to watch the ceremony without crying. And Giunta, the honoree, sprinted over a hill into enemy fire to retrieve a wounded comrade, getting the guy back by killing one of the insurgents who was dragging him away. I don't know if that's masculine or feminine: I would call it incredibly brave and worthy of the high honor bestowed on him.

romanigypsyeyes · Guru

So... he wants to give people medals only for violating one of the 10 Commandments? I feel like this is a back-asswards Christian. I'm glad he's getting backlash from within the Christian community as well as from the outside.

I want to comment on the rest of his arguments as well (such as God is anger, not love), but it's just not worth it.

nbachris2788 · Senior Member

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/11/20/christian-right-activist-blasts-medal-of-honor-as-feminized-s/

Apparently, it is a Christian thing to believe that killing is an honorably masculine trait, whereas saving others at great risk to oneself is a lesser feminine one.

Anyone else willing to bet a lot of money that this Bryan Fischer is a closet homosexual? It seems like gross overkill to try to prove one's "manliness" by taking on the Medal of Honor and proclaiming the masculine virtues of killing.