Political & Elections

dad_of_3 · In exile

RE: The Donald

john doe · Guru

I'm not entering LaGuardia from Europe or Asia. Returning home from international flights, you go down a long inclined corridor with tacky NYC artwork on the dirty white walls into a huge darkened area that looks like my unlit cellar where you're processed. It's a disgrace. LaGuardia is also a dump.

catahoula · Guru

One quibble.

I don't know that we can truthfully claim no-one likes the T&T.

Maybe it's just us, the RNC crowd, and the next crop of young socialists.

busdriver11 · Guru

catahoula wrote:
"You'd be better off asking your dog, busdriver, because buy high and sell low is all I've ever managed. This year was the one that I was going to sell of the Southwest stock, and I've numbly watched it fall 20%.
Though I believe Hilary's problems are going to be postponed, it's just a feeling that The Donald is exactly what we deserve. Death and destruction, burn it down to the ground, give our children a real time taste of the depression they imagine to be just another 'back when I was a kid' fable.
Miserable times. when the choices are the Turd or the Teletubbie."

Hey, we're really good at buying high and selling low too. I thought it was just our gift! I stay away from airline stock, which is stupid. I've had a clue what was going on for years. Saw my companies stock plummet, knew it was a steal, and watched it go up 6X, without buying it, of course.
The Donald may be what we deserve, but honestly, I don't think I can stand 4 years of him. Or Hillary.
Go Gary Johnson!! I wish they'd let him debate. Even if he sucks, he's got to be a more appealing option.

busdriver11 · Guru

I have to disagree with the Kennedy airport comment, though I guess can't disagree with much of the rest. At least the terminals I've been to at JFK are pretty nice. The runways are good. When everyone else on the east coast shuts down, JFK will stay open. And if they close, they will open up for us, and then close. Taxiing is a bitch, though, and people speak far too quickly and get pissed off too easily. Otherwise, no complaints. Are you sure you aren't talking about LaGuardia?

So who are you on cc, John Doe? I never have figured it out.

I have a tendency to veer political on that forum. I can't help it, however, I do try to restrain myself because I know they don't want it. However, sometimes you just can't resist.

-- Edited by busdriver11 on Monday 11th of July 2016 08:18:59 PM

catahoula · Guru

Can't and won't disagree with much of that

I'll add that the reason some of it is true is that we've an exceptional capacity for excusing a large percentage of our population.

john doe · Guru

Haven't been here for a while because nobody had posted anything. It's too bad that CC doesn't allow political discussions. I keep getting the sense that some of the blogs there are verging on the political but nobody is pushing them forward.

What kind of country do we have where our choices are two candidates that nobody really likes. We have childish political discussions. Is this the best we can do? The two party system is clearly broken as is our form of government where nothing can get done.

We as a country are falling apart. Those who point to our exceptionalism are out of touch. Our education system is a mess. We have people deciding elections who are virtually illiterate. We are more polarized as a nation that we've been in decades. Our infrastructure is in dire shape. Coming back from other countries and entering Kennedy Airport is worse than going to a third world country's airport. The only thing that we are exceptional at is wasting money on bloated military expenditures to protect us and other countries from perceived enemies.

catahoula · Guru

You'd be better off asking your dog, busdriver, because buy high and sell low is all I've ever managed. This year was the one that I was going to sell of the Southwest stock, and I've numbly watched it fall 20%.

Though I believe Hilary's problems are going to be postponed, it's just a feeling that The Donald is exactly what we deserve. Death and destruction, burn it down to the ground, give our children a real time taste of the depression they imagine to be just another 'back when I was a kid' fable.

Miserable times. when the choices are the Turd or the Teletubbie.

busdriver11 · Guru

Crap! Well, since I trust your opinion, cat, I think I'd better go heavy on selling in my 401K soon. Almost did it the day before Brexit (had a feeling), but now I have another chance, hopefully. Before the turd ensures the market really tanks.

catahoula · Guru

Because I was so successful predicting the 2012 outcome, I'm confidently offering a 2 to 1.

The turd will be fixing his hair in the White House.

busdriver11 · Guru

I was just rereading this thread, sad how it all turned out. Man, I was really pissed off at the Donald when I wrote my posts. Now, I'm just resigned to 4 years of Hillary. 17 of those guys on the debate stage and any one of them could have beaten her, except for Trump. I would have been happy (okay, a little disgusted about Christie, but happier), with any of them. What was it I read? Even an old shoe could beat Hillary. Really thought that Trump would have changed his tune by now, ya know, "Oh, I'm gonna be so presidential. Just wait and see how presidential I'll be, because I'm a smart guy. Yeah, smart guy, smart guy, high marks in college, ivy league, smart family." He still reminds me of a middle school mean girl, everything is about who is nice to him and treats him well, and bullying anyone who says something negative. When is the switch going to happen? Maybe now he'll try to be a little more presidential, now that he fired his campaign advisor, but I don't think he'll be able to pull it off. Impossible to keep his ego in check and pretend like he's there to serve the people, instead of himself.

Funny, I was just reading a comment I made about who would support such a turd, looked down, and there it was! A turd, right on my kitchen bench. Now the question is, is it from one of my rotten, little old dogs? Or was it the omnipotent power of the Donald? biggrin

hope · Guru

Prescient, Catahoula!

Looks like we'll be stuck with Hill and Bill for 4 (God forbid, 8 😳😳😳) years.

And thanks for refuting the idea on CC that two or three "pastor" crazies define Christianity (allowed to stand by the mods--what else is new) regarding lgbt's.

catahoula · Guru

Unfinished thread deserves a little forensic closure.

It seems The Donald is what suits the country's mood to a T, and rather than fading as I long ago hoped, he only picked up steam. Disturbing that a Bloomberg kind of republican, differing mostly in the juvenile tone he brought to the process, is the positive match for the mood. That pass he's gotten on his antics is likely being withdrawn tonight and the media's gloves will be cheerily tossed in the dumpster. Shortly. As in, about the time they're absolutely, positively sure we're stuck with him.

Silver lining would be that the next four or so years aren't likely to bring a shine to whoever ends up in the white house. Economy sucking, ACA draining down the hole that was predicted for it, etc., etc., etc. That, and the fact neither The Donald or the tele-tubby lookalike - Hilary - can be positively identified as a conservative.

Good night and good dreams to you all.

-- Edited by catahoula on Tuesday 3rd of May 2016 06:47:17 PM

hope · Guru

Oh, I don't think we need fear a Trump dictatorship quite yet. :)

He'll be destroyed thoroughly enough....all in good time, all in good time....

catahoula · Guru

Listened to a little of the Donald on AM Friday and have to say: he'll make a great commander in chief.

After the last few years, I've been expecting a mustachioed little tyrant, complete with a military uniform - heavy on medals, epaulets, and braid - to pick up where Barack left off.

He's the guy.

longprime · Guru

So, The Donald, said on "FaceTheNation" 23Aug15, that middle class is getting killed; Hedge fund managers are evil with low taxes on "carried interest", 15% tax rates.

This is not going to make the GOP gifters happy especially when they supported Mitt in 2012.

The Donald, keeps raising the Pot....what a poker plaayer. evileye biggrin

catahoula · Guru

One that doesn't sweat minor imperfections in their candidate. Only the really big ones.

Edwin W. Edwards, who before a successful 1983 election declared, “The only way I can lose this election is if I’m caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy.”

hope · Guru

What is an Edwin Edwards kind of voter? confuse

Side note I am thoroughly enjoying: Penn behaving as if they have never heard of The Donald. I told my son (who morphed into a liberal like the second he set foot on campus) that the more they snub Trump, the more the voters will like him. biggrin no response. biggrin

catahoula · Guru

Well, having that gay boyfriend would constitute a lie, in and of itself, so I'd be very disappointed in him. But only a lie about his sexuality which is almost de rigueur in more enlightened circles. More than forgivable, as you noted, if one votes the correct way.

Hmm.. I'd almost like the opportunity to evolve, turn into something better myself, but I'm a little hesitant at taking that big step: can you turn into a democrat without being required to believe all the stupid things to be true that they do?

busdriver11 · Guru

Hey, I'm not caring that much if there's a gay boyfriend either, in the closet, just saying it wouldn't surprise me. Though, of course that would be used to hang him (unless he was a D, then it would be a point of pride, no doubt).

catahoula · Guru

Slippery? Likely, whatever law schools dip them in just hasn't worn completely off yet.

I'm sure there's a bag of dirt democrats are holding for every hopeful but I'd wonder more if he's a liar, rather than when the gay boyfriend is going to show up.

Only speaking for myself, but it won't bother me a whit if that boyfriend does show up to do a TMZ interview - I'm turning into an Edwin Edwards kind of voter.

-- Edited by catahoula on Friday 21st of August 2015 06:23:46 PM

longprime · Guru

I got polled. (Not that typed poll). The reults should be be published shortly (?) . The Donald is going to show a commanding lead.

BTW, who who are the other people who are running for President? biggrin

hope · Guru

The Donald acquitted himself quite well on "Meet the Press" today. In one exchange with Chuck Todd, when asked why he mentions that he graduated from The Wharton School almost constantly he said:

"If I were a liberal Democrat people would say I'm the super genius of all time, the super genius of all time. If you're a conservative Republican you've got to fight for your life, it's really an amazing thing."

You betcha. smile The smug superiority of liberal Democrats had much to do with my leaving the fold!

-- Edited by hope on Sunday 16th of August 2015 06:35:54 PM

hope · Guru

That's my problem...I don't see much of a difference between Hillary and Jeb!

I agree about Cruz...I feel like there's something slippery about him.

busdriver11 · Guru

Hopefully so. And I don't mean to sound rude, I'm just so vehemently against the Donald because I am irritated that he is the only person that people seem to be listening to now, as he is so abrasive and such a showman.....while his earlier words and actions show what a complete liar he is. I am afraid that no matter his current (brand new) critiques of Hillary are, he's the guy that will get her elected. And there really is a difference between her and the Republicans.

I wish Cruz didn't sound and look like such a used car salesman/television evangelist. You just know he's got some gay boyfriend in his past, waiting to reveal himself.

hope · Guru

Well, that's good to know about Cruz! Hopefully he'll say it at the next debate (without the wiggle room words--"may have" probably"). But most poll-leading Republicans wimp out at those....because they want to make sure they don't alienate the moderates and independents. We'll see, and hope for the best.

busdriver11 · Guru

Seriously. No other Republican? So no other Republican would dare to say anything about Hillary Clinton? What universe is this that you're talking about? Perhaps the press is only currently interested in loudly reporting what the Donald is saying, but that certainly doesn't mean they aren't saying it. I think this is a perfect example of selective deafness. Don't listen to what anyone else has been saying for months, but when the Donald says it, it's like original pearls of wisdom. Similar to the immigration issue, gosh, if he hadn't brought it up, NOBODY would be talking about illegal immigration, right? Over four months ago, just one example:

April 1st:

"Presidential candidate and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) thinks former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton probably violated federal law when she deleted a huge trove of emails.

In a Tuesday radio interview on "The Dana Show," Cruz argued the Democratic presidential front-runner's actions may have even been "criminal."

"It is long past time for a fair and impartial investigation into what occurred here. Based on what she has admitted publicly, it appears that Secretary Clinton's conduct was in violation of federal law and may have even constituted criminal conduct," Cruz said."

hope · Guru

I think the point is that No other Republican is saying these things.

Just one example--calling the Hillary email scandal a "criminal situation." Actually, it IS a criminal situation, but it was huge news on CNN yesterday because not one person anywhere has the nerve to vocalize the obvious. Democrats are busy making excuses for her, and Republicans are too wimpy to take her on (except Carly--and then only to a certain extent, because she has to keep her women's solidarity vote). When Trump says he's "Hillary's worse nightmare" -also true. Nobody else has the guts.

So people are willing to put aside past inconsistencies because no one else is saying the things they believe are just common sense.

busdriver11 · Guru

"I think it's just snippets of what Trump claims to believe. Turns out there's a significant number of people that they resonate with"

And they hear the snippets and think he's the real deal?

Makes me think there must be a ton of suckers that just turned on the tv or started reading the paper a couple of weeks ago.

catahoula · Guru

I didn't personally know anyone who is a Trump supporter, until my wife's cousin spent a few days helping me try to put in a water line.

Can't say he's that different from me... a little more mistrustful of the government, a little more into cash, probably doesn't own any more firearms... and he really didn't explain why, since I didn't ask. Blue collar & retired, would have been a Reagan democrat, if he wasn't so far South.

I think it's just snippets of what Trump claims to believe. Turns out there's a significant number of people that they resonate with.

hope · Guru

Googled around and found this. Sounds like it would be difficult to do and very expensive.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-third-party-run_55ca55e3e4b0f1cbf1e692db

-- Edited by hope on Thursday 13th of August 2015 02:00:24 PM

-- Edited by hope on Thursday 13th of August 2015 02:01:57 PM

SamuraiLandshark · Guru

can he run in primary as a R and then run as an independent? Got impression that this is not allowed this time.

busdriver11 · Guru

I was enjoying the show. Until too many people started to sound like they actually support him. He will not get elected, because there are too many people who think he's just a narcissist who enjoys power. North Koreans are nice to me and show me respect, I'll help them get a nuclear weapon. The Israeli prime minister was mean to me, so I'll do everything to defund them. I can do anything I want. How? Because I'll just say it, and it will happen! And all that matters is that I make money and win, and that people are nice to me and show me proper respect.

God forbid he wins the primary, we will get whatever Democrat is running against him. He runs as an independent (and he will, because all he cares about is himself), and the Democrat wins. So I'm giving this election to the Dems if Trump stays in. As longprime says, he is sucking the oxygen out of the room.

Your husband is right, hope. And what is scary is that nobody really knows what he wants, because he doesn't have any serious ideas (that he can actually explain), and he feels accountable to nobody. Another 4-8 years of a Democrat in office. Yay.

catahoula · Guru

Might be his attitude, but I'd prefer to think it's some of the positions he's taken. I'd also prefer to think he'll flag and someone else will pick up his support. Cruz seems likeliest.

'Course Hilary, once she shakes off her legal troubles, will trounce him. Might have to hire him to do so, but...

hope · Guru

busdriver, just to be clear, I am not a Trump "supporter."

i am just enjoying the show!

I will likely vote for him in the primary to mix things up, just because I think Jeb has no business being in this race. Kasich is just another mealy-mouthed politician. I could almost go for Cruz, but I don't trust him. Rubio is too young. Carly is a fake (though I want her at the debates to take on Hillary, as only another woman can.)

Truth be told, I don't have much of a problem with Trump's past liberal positions. I used to be a liberal myself. One can "evolve" and change. It's possible. His positions having been and being all over the map, he may draw some disaffected moderates. Maybe it's time we have three viable parties in this country in every election.

LP, my husband made the same analogy to Hitler about Trump last night! Charisma, telling everybody what they want to hear, and then getting in office and doing whatever the heck he wants--his way or the highway.

I really really can't stand O's passive aggression. It drives me up the wall.

longprime · Guru

Google trends Trump, anybody else.

He has all the oxygen and everyone else is barely breathing.

longprime · Guru

Let's see who else has the balls/ovaries. evileye

busdriver11 · Guru

Actually, he could very well be producing little testosterone. Testosterone production goes way down as you get older, it's a fact. However, testosterone is not very accurate as far as what he's showing, it's just aggression. Testosterone does not make you stupid.

I suppose the word testosterone is used in place of saying that someone "has balls". However, I think having balls means you stay as a POW though you have the means to leave before everyone else, as opposed to taking a zillion student deferments. Having balls means you stand up for your beliefs, instead of changing them to your convenience, and just yelling them out confidently.

I wonder if there are people who have just turned on the tv, saw the Donald saying what they wanted him to, and think he's the real deal. That they haven't followed anything along, and haven't realized that he's the liberal Democrat in a Republican field. That just because he says things that are rude and with confidence, and think wow, he's my guy. I wonder when he goes back to his old ways, if he says it with confidence, people are going to be thrilled with what he says. Because apparently, there are people who just love being told what to do, and if they don't like it, tough luck. I guess that is somehow refreshing? Didn't think Gov Christie got too far with that attitude, though it worked for him at first.

longprime · Guru

busdriver11 wrote:
hope wrote:
You know what's So refreshing about The Donald ? After 7 years of Obama--King of passive-aggression--some plain ol' aggression. Just clears the air!
Lovely. So because he's aggressive right now, you're a believer? ... snip...
...A little bit of testosterone and you get suckered and all excited about the Donald? Ugh.

At least he's showing that he is producing that stuff.

I am getting pretty tired of the attacking of Hillary and Obama. I want to know what "you" want to do. evileye

Trump could be approaching Nazism. bleh

busdriver11 · Guru

hope wrote:
You know what's So refreshing about The Donald ? After 7 years of Obama--King of passive-aggression--some plain ol' aggression. Just clears the air!

Lovely. So because he's aggressive right now, you're a believer? It's all just fine that until two minutes ago, he was strongly pro-choice, thought Romney was too tough on illegal immigrants, believed in universal health care, and supported Democrats, and now that he's changed his mind about that and is talking tough, that's what you believe? Seriously? Do people really fall for this current BS, without looking at the record, just because he's talking tough this very second? Are we really this stupid?

And the evil Megyn, because she dared to ask him some tough questions (like they asked everyone), should be considered as a jerk and a porn star moderator, because she is pretty and wears false eyelashes? For the record, don't think I've heard her "whining". She is tough and can't take care of herself. It's the Donald who is whining, all these people are so mean to him, and they're all stupid too. Wahhh.

Seriously, Hope, what is wrong with you? A little bit of testosterone and you get suckered and all excited about the Donald? Ugh.

hope · Guru

You know what's So refreshing about The Donald ? After 7 years of Obama--King of passive-aggression--some plain ol' aggression. Just clears the air!

longprime · Guru

The other 15+/- candidates, need to figure out their reason to be a candidate and how to out Donald, The Donald.

Disruptive thinking have put the other 15, on defense; Nearly impossible to distinguish themselves and rise above the others.

evileye

-- Edited by longprime on Tuesday 11th of August 2015 11:15:33 AM

catahoula · Guru

That there's dissatisfaction doesn't necessarily mean it's for the same reasons, lp.

longprime · Guru

churchmusicmom wrote:
So glad to find others who feel as I do.

Donald Trump is an embarrassment. Worse, he's arrogant, self-important, rude and seems to be unable to learn anything from anyone. Truly frightening qualities in a potential President.

Nitwits, dimwits, and wet dreams. NOT pc.

Lol. evileye

Don't tell DW, The Donald, My Hero. biggrin

-- Edited by longprime on Monday 10th of August 2015 05:25:00 PM

catahoula · Guru

Voted for Perot, rather than Bush Sr. Besides Clinton being elected, it was obviously a mistake because the RNC didn't get any sort of message from it. Other than GW, they've kept trotting out the same pallid candidates, cycle after cycle. Heck, given the chance, I wouldn't vote for GW again.

Jeb'll have to get elected without my vote. Or, that of my wife. I'm done, she's done, another 4 to 8 years of pandering to every dimwit with a grievance isn't what we'll sign up for again.

After the two terms of our liberal wet dream, I'll stir for rollback or nothing.

hope · Guru

I know, I'm even shocking myself!

i just feel, after 40 some years of voting, that this time around at least, it's VERY clear we're being set up. Hillary and Jeb are interchangeable.

Jeb has had 100 mil in his coffers for weeks (months) now.,obviously, somebody is buying him. Automatically supported by the powerful Republican elites...including Rupert Murdoch.

Hillary the same...the Democrats have only one candidate? Really? This is democracy? (Sanders is a one trick pony-- class envy).

We've reached a point where our Ruling Class (and I firmly believe it exists) needs to be shaken up. We are all just puppets.

If anyone thinks there's any difference between Hillary or Jeb (or Rubio or Cruz, for that matter) I think they're kidding themselves.

Maybe more people will wake up when they watch somebody finally take on the media and the political class.

And frankly I don't think anyone could've harmed our country more than Obama has the last seven years. Don't hear anybody running or in the media saying that!

Yep, very curious to see how even more alliances will be made to destroy Trump. Already Fox, hated by all liberals and liberal media with a passion, is being applauded for its wonderful debate questions. And Meghan is suddenly their darling!

SamuraiLandshark · Guru

Perot had articulated a plan when he ran. I supported him.

Donald Trump is a narcissistic attention whore who, honestly, I think has side bet going and will self destruct by his own doing within weeks.

That blood comment was dumb, no matter what he "meant". He does not have the ability to control his mouth. Ever.

While I can admire the entertainment value someone like Donald Trump can interject in a race, it is short term gain for long term pain. If you really want to sit around munching popcorn and watching the US political system get even more dysfunctional, then have at it.

truly, this notion horrifies me. We need grown ups in DC.

hope · Guru

I didn't fall for Perot (I was a Clinton voter then--ha!), but I think people are WAY more angry now than they were then.

I'm so absolutely disgusted with both parties I will not vote for any of these people.

But I am considering voting for The Donald in the primary. I am *thoroughly* enjoying the political elites go insane over Trump.

Years ago now I said political correctness was going to kill this country. I believe that. So hearing Trump say that very thing is actually music to my ears.

if I have to listen to one more woman whine about every little thing that hurts her delicate little sensibilities I think I'll scream. Now we are accusing people of saying things that they didn't even SAY. Get over yourselves, ladies. Borrrrring!

Kelly acted like a jerk. And if she wants to be taken seriously, drop one or two layers of eyelashes and stop acting the part of a porn star version of a debate moderator.

I actually think he could pull out quite a coalition of all kinds of disaffected sorts as a third party candidate and if it hurts the GOP, who cares anymore. They have not stood up to Obama on anything. What difference does it make. The leftward drift of the country is not going to stop.

Full disclosure: I have never watched The apprentice in my life.

churchmusicmom · Veteran Member

So glad to find others who feel as I do.

Donald Trump is an embarrassment. Worse, he's arrogant, self-important, rude and seems to be unable to learn anything from anyone. Truly frightening qualities in a potential President.

longprime · Guru

+1 catahoula. ITA.

so glad that he said that he won't support another nominee. evileye

hmm Give him another week, his numbers will increase.

-- Edited by longprime on Sunday 9th of August 2015 05:41:59 PM