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I'm getting a little bored with this market and am up for some excitement and speculation.  I can't help myself and may end up getting some options on rsx.



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I am surprised that NWN and BGS has been sold off. Buying NWN this week even as it is exdiv today. Bought BGS at todays low. Who can't refuse +4% div. Besides who I like warmth and ho****er and cream of rice. biggrin



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Is the market correcting or not?  What do you folks think?  Are you changing your positions so that you're more conservatively positioned, going to cash?



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Maybe! and then again maybe not!  I was just listening to cnbc with a discussion about the Fed.  One "guru" LOL, was saying that we should all be concerned that effectively Janet Yellen said that a future rate increase will be data dependent - a hello! isn't this kinda of obvious??  He further commented that why doesn't the Fed know?  Well maybe because the future has been, is and always will be unknowable.  The bozos on these shows are as dense as lead.



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Momentums seem to have  bottomed  and moving  positively. How long? biggrin



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I'm sure they intended the acronym to resemble FAT CAT as much as possible. No accident there.

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I didn't have my glasses on, I read FATCAT. I had to look it up and then I realized I was correct, it is a FAT CAT issue. evileye



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Wondering what you guys think of FATCA, coming to a country near you on July 1, 2014. Do you think that will affect ordinary stockholders, or spook the market, crash the dollar? Or is it just a bunch of fear and hype (unless you have a lot of overseas investments)?

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I eyeball it.  I look for anything where cost  is less than the strike differential.  This happens more with longer dated options because time value reduces the price differential of the spread.



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How do you find such trades? Just eyeballing or do you use a software or brokerage service?

 

I bought ENG today.  Not sure if it will work but will probably get out in a few days.



-- Edited by Razorsharp on Monday 9th of June 2014 05:15:23 PM

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The market "lets" it happen everyday.  As an example - today I bought the 6/21/14 IWM 114 - 116 call spread for 1.47, the max gain = .53 or a potential 36% gain in 12 days.  The breakeven price = 115.47.  When I did this IWM was around 116.9.  This technique of course works better with later expiration dates.



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I posted something about your trade john doe but I guess I hit the wrong button and it didn't post. Anyway, it looks like you will earn five points on your investment but it only cost you 4.127. I don't know how the market let that happen. Usually market makers etc make sure the deck is stacked in their favor. Good trade for you to have made.

 

I got out of the VHUD trade at .45.  I shorted at .50 so it was good trade on a risky stock.



-- Edited by Razorsharp on Monday 9th of June 2014 05:38:29 AM

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I like playing the market with the odds on my side.  As an example:  I bought the 1/17/15  168 - 173 spy call spread for 4.127 when spy was at 188.  If spy goes up or down I make 21%. To beat that return from that point in time (5/2/14), the market has to close above 2270 by January (maybe it happens but I don't like the odds on that).  For me to not get that return, the market has to drop to 1721 or so to break even on that date and I could still hedge the position and protect myself. 



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I can now afford to take out risk because, 2013 is locked in until another high at annuities' anniversary. 



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Some of you are willing to take on a lot more risk than I am with some of these stocks.  I mainly dabble in index etfs with some speculative trades such as twtr but with very little potential loss.



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OK, I am swearing off that forum. Unbelievable how people invest without knowing their risks and what they invest or not invest into. I would not be surprised to discover that the expert posters are paid by Vanguard to push indexing and the their managed funds. I would also be not surprised to know that Annuity companies are paying these guys to discourage buyers and to get owners to give up their annuities (annuity companies have been on the wrong side of the equation for a long time, but have to keep marketing the stuff because they no longer can make money in life insurance and they are losing to MF & brokerages for investments. 

I am surprised that posters, Kimo and Debinnov a, have lasted this long. Their understanding in what they bought is appalling and the advice in E_R is just as bad. No one has yet recommended either of them to go back to the salesman-adviser to thoroughly understand what they have. The other posters are irresponsible in recommending to "dump" the VA, without knowing what these ladies purchased and these ladies definitely don't know. I can guess what they have but can't be sure without some questioning. 

Get a clue.  Annuities are sold by Insurance Companies; If bought, you are buying some insurance based product, expect to pay for insurance.  -Most goods and services that you buy has an insurance component. There are many WSJ and other articles on the GWIC (guaranteed withdrawal income contract annuities) where the annuity company miss-priced or underestimated their market risks. I only wished that I had some of the early GWIC where the contracts were 6-7% and for 15 years. 



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I'm short VHUB. The company is a penny stock joke. Some guy on Seeking Alpha said it will go to zero.

I bought AMTXD. It's pretty interesting but I bought it high.

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Markets moving up. My annuities are hitting the magic 5 and now I can get more aggressive in the trading.

DS saw a presentation from the CEO of a Seattle company (DATA, ipo may 2013), ironically he was in the same building where he worked in the Fremont district. I miissed the early run-up this morning and finally got a partially filled order. I had bought&sold a competitor, TIBX, of this company in 2013 and crapped out.  One of the metrics I use is the company's Jobs postings and DATA seems to have an impressive list. 



-- Edited by longprime on Thursday 5th of June 2014 09:28:55 AM

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Off the top - I don't know of any unbiased forums or unbiased anything for that matter.  I'm quite satisfied with what I'm doing and plan on doing.



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http://www.early-retirement.org/forums/f28/approximately-how-much-will-my-investment-portfolio-decline-when-bull-market-ends-69693-2.htmlevileye

With an 80/20 split I wouldn't be shocked to see your principal decline by 50% at some point.


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Anyone know of a unbiased Financial Forum? I have a bad taste with ER, probably my taste buds but ER forum still is heavily biased towards Vanguard and DIYs. 

 



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I got an early pm from another poster at E_R forum on Brewer12345, informing me about Brewer12345 experience: Former bank examiner, cpa, big 5 accounting, a somewhat guru on SA, and who helped someone get out of an annuity.

I imagine that most of us are at or very near retirement. In late spring/early summer of 2008, I got very worried about the USA's financial well being, especially when I discovered via the news how bad the big banks  were doing; The cavalier attitude of big brother on his bank and the mortgage/credit balloon; and our retirement funds and the experience of the collapse of DS's college funds 2001-03. I initially thought about options and futures but realized that I had to get to expert level pretty quickly. My Financial Adviser guy said that they are coming out with a better annuity (I currently had a very small one purchased soon after 9/11 as a small insurance vehicle and to learn how this product works). I went to his presentations and saw many other presentations. Eventually bought at the collapse of the market in Nov-Dec 2008. Yes, I sold the MF at the bottom but I also bought at bottom when I bought the Variable Annuities. 

So why is our annuity allocation so high. Several reasons: The VA annuities are aggressively allocated since I bought downside insurance and the insurance company thinks it can beat the market. In any case, the strike date is 10 yeas from date of purchase. Another reason is the non-annuity funds are held both very conservatively (cash & dividend payers) and very aggressively (small cap-momentums). The all stock allocation in the annuities have done very well where the non annuity funds have done relatively poorly which is OK since this money is held for liquidity and opportunistically.

What does my experience has to do with Brewer12345? Today he posted: "With the notable exception of AIG, the insurance industry was actually left to sink or swim on its own while the banks got gubmint carte blanche. A few insurers hastily acquired tiny thrifts and applied for TARP to get some capital, but a number were rejected flat out (Genworth, most notably). As someone with a painfully close view of things at that time, I believe that the treatment of the insurers was due to A) the belief that they were in better shape than the banks and B) the nasty, catty attitude of the federal regulators dispensing ARP that the insurers are regulated by the states so let them deal with the problem. " 

Brewer, should know that how Bank's assets are different from Insurance's Assets and how they are valued. Bank's assets is the collateral to the loan, mark-to-market, and held short vs Insurance assets is the Insured life, future value, mark-to-cost, and held long.  BIG differences.

I am not pushing annuities. It is a financial product for some people and not a product for others. When I was on E_R, I did a quick evaluation of our assets and discovered the high portion of annuities in our portfolio. I was previously looking at more protection (insurance) but my FA advises me that the regulators frown on annuities being more than 50% of assets at purchase. The annuity products that we bought are no longer available.

  

 

 



-- Edited by longprime on Tuesday 3rd of June 2014 12:16:28 PM



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~23000 shares traded today. You think you will be as market maker at 10% of the volume? 

I have no idea on how penny stocks move-Didn't they make a movie with DiCaprio about penny stocks- yet to see it but I am trying to catch up on my movies-off to NonStop with Liam. Gnite & good luck .



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Flair made the strip for California Chrome. I am going to wait to see if AIRW drops to .18 or so before buying.

A guy I knew who was 60 died this week of cancer. That's simply crazy that someone would die so young. Makes me think about that life and death thing.


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AIRW? Is this the one that California Chrome is wearing? You gotta buy a lotta shares to make any money. 



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JD; Are you now a proud member of Early-Retirement?

For you other refuges of Forums, CollegeConfidential moderators are wimps compared to the draconian Nazi of Early-Retirement.org. I mean this sersiously. 



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Thankyou for you condolences. 

She came from great wealth in China.  Think Forsyth Saga, Upstairs-Downstairs, Downton Abby/. Lost it all in the Wars. Youngest of 12 children, only 4 made it into adulthood.  She was a real beauty, which of course we never recognize as children.  She worked for everything. Even worked in the bean fields in the USA taking us with her. A college graduate in China,  the equivalent to Harvard. Last of the Shanghai MahJong Club. 

Walked the dog. Ate lunch at local  tavern where I took her to play the Machines. Took in a movie (Monuments Men). Went to Goodwill-dropped off some diapers, bedsheets and wandered inside thinking I should look for some senior supplies. 

I said hi to DW. I don't know if I can sleep in my home anymore. After so many years with my mom, my home bed seems to be very foreign. Picked up my bike and need to get back into the saddle again-If anything, to see the Center-of-the Universe parade. 

I got to recharge fairly fast. We still have  my wife's mother (95) staying with us, and my father (95) who has a younger wife. 



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Sorry for you, lp.

Crazy as my mom is, she's the only one my wife and I have left and I think I'll be bereft - a word I've never used but figure I'll need - when she's gone.

Take care.



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I also am sorry to hear about your mother, longprime. She was very lucky to have you as her caretaker. Very few parents get such attention from their kids in this country.

Now, I guess you get to figure out what to do with yourself. Instead of spending your time taking care of someone else, you get to do whatever it is you choose. It seems similar to when one's kids all go away to college. You're sad, and now you have way too much free time to fill.

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Sorry to hear that longprime.

I am looking at PE as a possible buy. It looks interesting.

Complete speculation is AIRW. They have a snoring stopper that just made it into walmart.


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Longprime: Sorry to hear about your loss.



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My condolences, lp. 



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Markets, new highs May 2014.

I was looking in 2008 at the opposite problem-How far down will the US economy and World's economy fall? Although we sold MF and transferred to annuities, our losses was limited to a 5% gain in the Income Account and the Actual Account limited to the amount invested. I was willing to buy insurance and the insurance-annuity company knows more than I do and was willing to buy risk. 

A couple of our VA's hit the 5% mark above the last anniversaries' mark (which were highs) last friday. I expect a couple more of the VAs will hit the 5%+ mark today. The WORSE that could happen is that we Gain 5%, even if the markets tank. -- I bought 100 SCTY@53.68. Lost 50, but I am living dangerously since the VA's are protected incomes. 

PS. This is the first first full day on my mother's passing. Kinda of at a loss today with no responsibility, after 8 years at home and caring for her. EmeraldKity, brought up her experiences in picking strawberries. We did that too. I remember, the day after Memorial Day, she would get us out of bed at 4:30 am (it was still dark), had a quick breakfast on the table, and our sack lunches packed. One year I made enough in berry money to buy 10 shares of a local telephone company, on the recommendation of my older brother who had a summer job at the Public Utility Commission. I was 14 and the precursor to SmithBarney allowed the account-I can't remember if I got my parent's signature. Today, I took in Godzilla, the theater is  where the old SmithBarney was located. 



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We withdrew $30,000 from a MM account to finish our basement so at least we'd have something to enjoy. I just can't believe the market is going to continue to climb much longer. Something tells me there is going to be something closer to a crash than a correction coming in the not too distant future. We have a lot of cash just sitting in the bank in separate FDIC maximum accounts, but we are two years away from retirement. Can't afford and don't have time to gamble. 

 



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so now that the markets are at all time highs, what are you doing to protect yourselves from a possible correction?



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Those retirement calculators are so complicated. I honestly don't know how you plan for this besides saving way too much money and working too long. Unless you can off some rich relatives, how to even plan for all the possibilities in the future, and what you'll actually spend. Who knows? Chances are, you'll spend close to whatever you're getting, whether it's low or high.

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Maybe you got a LongPrime cookie and E-R saw it?  Clean out stale cookies. Be careful, the worse bashers are also the Moderators. The knowledge base does not seem too deep. I tried testing their response to dividend paying stock (utilities) vs bond indexes or bond MF, and PB4uski, suggested the Pentagon CU's 5 year  CD. Most have no idea on current bond risk or risk in SP500 or any of Vanguard's indexes for near, at retirement, or just entering the retirement withdrawal mode. 

There are some newer posters who seem to want to ask some questions on risk and allocations. IMO eventually those questions will be towards some type of insurance, hedging, or options, which will get them bashed and bullied. 

Apparently the founder of Firecalc, Bill Sholar, had a falling out with his backers over SafeWithdrawalRate. This is from Rob Bennett, who is an outlier. www.passionsavings.com

 

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I guess I'm slow these days.  I tried to get onto early_retirement.org and seem to be having problems becoming a member.  I'm having a problem with the questions to assure them I'm not some machine.  Maybe the problems is that I am!



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I'm going to do a more detailed  spreadsheet. 



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Bad things will happen.  The big problem is that it depends on when those things happen.  One can have the same average return over a time period with the same standard deviation but if it happens at the beginning of you retirement the impact is much worse than near the end - it all depends on the order of those returns for each year.  Perhaps it is better to be more conservative near the beginning of retirement and get more aggressive as time goes on instead of the reverse.



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Retirement Money:

I had read that retirement funds oughta last 30 years (?), 60/40 allocation,fully invested, and 4% safe withdrawal rate (SWR in financial blogs) . Monte Carlo assumptions. 

BUT what if >>>the gurus at Early-Retirement are wrong about index funds (historical) and allocations (historical and based on 3% shortterm and 6% longterm rates ) and no really bad things happening just when you need to take out start retirement withdrawals. Failure in retirement will just take just one bad assumption-The flip side of bad newss is that you only realize it at the tail end, when it won't matter as much.evileye

 

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Saw that too. FC has a place to put in a remainder value at the end of the 30 year run. -click on PerceIntage of remaining portfolio. I have kinda lost interest in this calculator. The interface is not the best and Firecalc is probably looking at their forum (money making side) and only minimally improving the calculator. IMO

Optional: Revise How You Will Spend Your Money During Retirement

If you leave this section alone, FIRECalc assumes you will continue to spend the same amount (after adjustments for inflation) every year for 30 years.

Note: FIRECalc adjusts just about everything for inflation. Any exceptions will be noted prominently.

Use the following inflation assumption:  PPI,  CPI, or   % for inflation adjustments to the historical data.

How will your spending vary in the future?

 Constant Spending Power: Future spending will be about the same as entered above, adjusted for inflation. This keeps the approximate spending power constant during the term of your retirement.

 Bernicke's Reality Retirement Plan: Start with the constant spending power model, but use Bernicke's "Reality Retirement Plan". Current age:   Note: If you indicate you are 56 or older, then the spending will be reduced immediately.

Ty Bernicke's Reality Retirement Planning: A New Paradigm for an Old Science describes extensive research showing that most people see significant reductions in spending with age (not related to reduced assets or income). If selected, this option will reduce your inflation-adjusted yearly spending by 2-3% per year starting at age 56, and then stabilizing at age 76 to keep up with inflation. You should read his article for details if you plan to use this option.

 Percentage of Remaining Portfolio: Adjust your spending depending on the value of your portfolio each year, spending the same percentage of your remaining portfolio in future years as you are spending the first year. You can soften the impact of large drops in your portfolio by setting a minimum spending in any year to no less than  percent of the previous year's spending. (Spending is reported in inflation-adjusted dollars, as with the other models, so you can evaluate future spending power.)

You can enter 95 to approximate the "95% Rule" from Work Less, Live More.

The 95% rule applies to the Annual Spending. According to the rule, each year's withdrawal is the greater of 95% of last year's withdrawal or 4% of the current portfolio as you started with. FIRECalc uses whatever percentage withdrawal you start with instead of 4%, and allows you to set a different value than 95%. An additional objective of the 95% rule is that your portfolio retains the same value at the end of the term as you started with, rather than merely remaining "in the black". The results will report how often that would have happened.



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I took a very quick look at that firecalc site.  I'm not sure how they do the calculations but I'm assuming they doing monte -carlo simulations assuming uncorrelated gaussian distributions for the different risks.  I'd be concerned that like most financial models that assume such distributions, that tail risks are not properly accounted for.



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SA = Seeking Alpha.  The second mentioned paper compares predictions made from using the percentage of positive "words" in seeking alpha articles to those in the wall street journal.  The authors wrote an algorithm that mines words from all the articles in each of those and came to the conclusion that seeking alpha has a significant statistical advantage in predicting the direction of a stock than the wall street journal.



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The Income VA would look like something like this. The low side would have a left pot handle limited to +5% of low side strike and the handle extending to 0 share price. The 5% is added to the old strike and becomes the new strike of the  Income Account (the virtual money account that "income withdrawals"  will be be made.

The right strike is 5% more than the lower side. Anything above this  profit, becomes the new strike price on anniversary strike date (reset) on the the Actual money account. There is no limit to high side profit. Fiscal 2013, returned 27%, after fees. The 5 year return from Nov 2008, is 75%, in an all equity portfolio. 

The premium is a little more than 2% and includes the premium (optional) for death insurance of the actual account. 

I believe that I have insured my downside to a black swan occurrence and to  prolonged down markets. I have also given my portfolio an upside that resets the Income account when there is a +5% in the Actual account. In a flat to down market, the Income Account increases by 5%. The +5% contract runs for 10 years. In a 10 yr down market, the Income Acct will grow (stepup) 5%^10. 

 



-- Edited by longprime on Saturday 24th of May 2014 11:58:22 PM



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SA? == Statistical Analysis??

Since we are have been forced in to retirement, we can no longer contribute to it. My goal is protect what we had in the 2008 (not fast enough) and to growth what we had. We are still a few more years away from the distribution phase (70.5). The VA's allowed me to protect what was left and allow for topline growth. 

So, Weekend WSJ, May 24-25, artlcle, Calculating Your Retirement, byline Liz Moyer,  brought up the topic of retirement planners going in but also Calculators while in retirement. I did some googling on Bill Sholar, said originator of FireCalc, and eventually came to Rob Bennett and his blog, www.passionsavings.com. I had no idea until getting banned from Early-Retirement.com, how outliers and alternative investors, are quickly terrorized.  This guy was banned at Motley, Bogleheads, Firecalc, etc. evileye

Some things that he now believes: Buy and Hold is dangerous. 4% withdrawal rate is too high (?) in today's environment. The retirement allocation 60/40 should be 80/20. 

http://arichlife.passionsaving.com/category/investing-the-new-rules/

http://www.passionsaving.com/money-myths.html

evileye

 



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SENTIMENT REVEALED IN SOCIAL MEDIA AND ITS EFFECT ON THE STOCK MARKET* is another paper that compares the predictive value of SA vs WSJ.



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You might find this paper of interest: WISDOM OF CROWDS: THE VALUE OF STOCK OPINIONS TRANSMITTED THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA1.  It talks about using SA for predicting the movement of individual stocks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Seeking alpha is where I look for financial info. Some of the articles are sketchy but usually there is more than one view on a stock and that helps give me some perspective.

I ate at a Pie Five restaurant the other day. It was pretty good. I ate at a Potbelly Restaurant as well and it was ok. Maybe its time to buy PZZI.

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I see that my thread is up to 1800+ views (had to use a another ISP to see this site. My DSL-line completely locks me out of www.early-retirement and FIRECALC.com. Can they do that?)

This is a early-retirement forum is/was dangerous site when different and opposing views are banned and a small cabal control the thinking. I am surprised that the mods and FIRECALC allows continued bashing. I also see that they left my post #37 up. 

Still nobody as offered alternatives other than sell the annuities without giving a reason noevileye

You have been bullies to me and to others. You should reread your posts in just this thread and determine if you even once asked what are my objectives, my AA, my risk tolerance, when will I need the money, are you properly insured, how long I have been investing-All you could say was that I was sold, Sold, and SOLD when I kept saying I was Looking, and Looking Very Carefully; Innumerable presentations, a lot policies, and a lot of agents-representatives. I detailed what I had several times because I was looking for a way to get portfolio insurance and have an upside

I got an older bro, phD, economics, C level, private banking, A survivor in his world. Retail fees are nothing as compared to private banking. You somehow missed that I have 6 annuities from 2 different companies, bought at different times. Do you really think I didn't understand the fee structure when I kept ignoring your comments? 

My measure of good advice is your measure of success. None of you volunteered so what do you expect me to believe that the only road to FIRE is to do Vanguard and I stupid and sold crap? Tell me your successes and your failures, so that me and everyone who reads this thread-forum can benefit and get to FIRE. 

I will later start a new thread and hopefully get some better responses.

 



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Surprised. Mods decided to keep thread. I see the basing continues and another thread started with the immediate first post as a bash. I don't mine being ridiculed but their reasons without the facts is truly irresponsible. 



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