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"We had to pass the bill so you could find out what's in it!"
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romani: I agree with you as to the fact two entirely different groups of politicians can be as equally dishonest. That any one of your 282 is equivalent to the Affordable Care Act and it's passage, not so much.

That they didn't read it isn't suprising. That they would have understood it if they had is ludicrous. Anyway, the wise little cogs of government, the ones who can't even say "unintended consequence" without looking confused, have been adding to it ever since:

http://www.usnews.com/news/washington-whispers/articles/2011/04/07/6-pages-of-obamacare-equals-429-pages-of-regulations

No, the irony here is that a lot of the people who believed Democrats were bringing home the rainbow fairies are the same ones that are going to be confused - and angry - at what was really inside the sack. That sack that couldn't really be opened until after the election.



-- Edited by catahoula on Wednesday 23rd of January 2013 01:21:24 PM

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Both parties do it. Nothing to see IMO.

You're liberal so of course that's your opinion.

The "everybody does it" argument that is so common from the liberal ideology of moral relativism is a total cheap shot cop out that lacks any meaning whatsoever.

Obamacare and the rest of the pantheon of consolidation and concentration of power to control every aspect of our lives through the nanny state mentality of liberalism is totally out of touch with fundamental human nature, and the greatest single reason for most of the problems in America and the world today, from the dissolution of the family to massive government spending and debt.

The founding generation, this country's founding principles, today's conservatives, and conservative ideology in general are not afflicted with the ignorance of human nature that liberalism suffers from. They understood, and still understand, that the enemy of liberty is consolidated government power, and they did, and are doing, everything they can to separate powers into different components of the government so that those powers contend with each other and so that none will become too strong and become a tyranny of the majority. The only thing that has kept the slide toward anomie and chaos relatively in check, such as they have, are the founding principles and the Constitution.

Liberalism represents everything that the founders took great pains to try to prevent, and an understanding of human nature has proved to be the downfall of great civilizations throughout human history.

Unless and until liberals get a clue about how the human mind really works, both individually and in societal interaction, we will continue down the same path toward ultimate collapse that it is putting us on. Liberalism is the textbook example of the saying "Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."

-- Edited by winchester on Wednesday 23rd of January 2013 10:41:21 AM

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Sounds like what the Michigan legislature did during the lame duck session (passed 282 bills- how many of those do you think were read?)


Both parties do it. Nothing to see IMO.



-- Edited by romanigypsyeyes on Tuesday 22nd of January 2013 08:53:38 PM

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Nah, they're taking a relaxing dip in a pool full of irony, lp.

That Mr. Ballard says principle and the public good - meaning his, in this case - should trump the viability of his employer, suggests we're listening to an Obama voter.



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When DS worked for Udub, 50% time, 2009-10, he still got full healthcare insurance, and retirement.evileye

When I worked PT, it was 6months AND 40 hours/wk before HI. Of course, when it became 23 weeks, you got laid-off. doh

WSJ is trying to increase their circulation by appealing to the lesser monied. biggrin



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Wait, what???  A public employee, at a public institution, working for the public good, is unhappy with Obama/Pelosi policy?  Can't be true.



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Personally, I think Pelosi mangled that, and really meant to say "... you could find out just how bad it really is!" Either way, I suspect they didn't catch the mutter at the end: "After the election, if we're lucky."

No link to the full WSJ piece at the moment but here's a few paragraphs:

In Ohio, instructor Robert Balla faces a new cap on the number of hours he can teach at Stark State College. In a Dec. 6 letter, the North Canton school told him that “in order to avoid penalties under the Affordable Care Act… employees with part-time or adjunct status will not be assigned more than an average of 29 hours per week.”

Mr. Balla, a 41-year-old father of two, had taught seven English composition classes last semester, split between Stark State and two other area schools. This semester, his course load at Stark State is down to one instead of two as a result of the school’s new limit on hours, cutting his salary by about a total of $2,000.

Stark State’s move came as a blow to Mr. Balla, who said he earns about $40,000 a year and cannot afford health insurance.

“I think it goes against the spirit of the [health-care] law,” Mr. Balla said. “In education, we’re working for the public good, we are public employees at a public institution; we should be the first ones to uphold the law, to set the example.”

 



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