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Date: Dec 3, 2012
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I am maxing out my 401k... we just got the Roth option. Might dump a bunch into that here in December, or might not... still debating.

If the government takes it all, I'll just keep working at my government job until I'm 75, I guess...

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I have further come to the conclusion that 401ks, IRA's are bad for the average to above average retirement saver. Confiscation would be good thing. wink



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JD, If I had invested in USGov bonds at the beginning of W's administration and continued until today, instead of investing in US stocks, I would be a very very rich man instead of a reasonablely poor man. I believed in the free enterprised-capitalist system and got killed more than once vs if I had done US Bonds; I would have kept US dollars at home rather in China. Apparently China has more faith in USA than USA's citizens.  evileye

evileyeYour post, as seen on CC, now deleted as being "political" (?) had a link to June 2008 saying the same thing as you are eluding to. If one does a google, you can read that the your post is a recycled post from some where else, and all of them never say who, when, where this is coming from. As of 7:50pm, 02 Dec 12, there are >=4310 cites with the exact words, "National Seniors Council Director ... all these retirement accounts."

So the participation in 401ks is now close to 50%, down from 65% in the early 2000's. And what is the amount in 401ks and IRAs, 529s, and excess money (M3) is in cash, money market where we are paying banks to keep it "safe" from investments. Heck, US Bonds are paying more than bank rates. 

And if we hit the fiscal cliff, US Bonds, will rise even further and interest rates will drop to negative levels. 



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OBAMA BEGINS PUSH TO CONFISCATE IRA’S & 401K’S

The Obama administration is reportedly quickly moving on plans to nationalize private 401k and IRA retirement accounts, and replace them with government sponsored annuities(aka Treasury bonds that the Treasury currently can’t sell to anyone but the Fed).

National Seniors Council Director Robert Crone warns: “This whole issue is moving forward very quickly.  Already there is a bill requiring all businesses to automatically enroll their employees in IRA plans in which part of every employee’s paycheck would be automatically deducted and deposited into this accountIf this passes, the government will be just one step away from being able to confiscate all these retirement accounts.

 

 

 

All your retirement savings are belong to us:

A recent hearing sponsored by the Treasury and Labor Departments marked the beginning of the Obama Administration’s effort to nationalize the nation’s pension system and to eliminate private retirement accounts including IRA’s and 401k plans, NSC is warning.

The hearing, held in the Labor Department’s main auditorium, was monitored by NSC staff and featured a line up of left-wing activists including one representative of the AFL-CIO who advocated for more government regulation over private retirement accounts and even the establishment of government-sponsored annuities that would take the place of 401k plans.

“This hearing was set up to explore why Americans are not saving as much for their retirement as they could,” explains National Seniors Council National Director Robert Crone, “However, it is clear that this is the first step towards a government takeover. It feels just like the beginning of the debate over health care and we all know how that ended up.”

A representative of the liberal Pension Rights Center, Rebecca Davis, testified that the government needs to get involved because 401k plans and IRAs are unfair to poor people. She demanded the Obama administration set up a “government-sponsored program administered by the PBGC (the governments’ Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation).” She proclaimed that even “private annuities are problematic.”

Such “reforms” would effectively end private retirement accounts in America, Crone warns. “These people want the government to require that ultimately all Americans buy these government annuities instead of saving or investing on their own. The Government could then take these trillions of dollars and redistribute it through this new national retirement system.”

Deputy Treasury Secretary J. Mark Iwry, who presided over the hearing, is a long-time critic of 401k plans because he believes they benefit the rich. He also appears to be one of the Administration’s point man on this issue.

“This whole issue is moving forward very quickly,” warns Crone. “Already there is a bill requiring all businesses to automatically enroll their employees in IRA plans in which part of every employee’s paycheck would be automatically deducted and deposited into this account. If this passes, the government will be just one step away from being able to confiscate all these retirement accounts.”

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Please realize that this is 100% about funding $1.5 TRILLION annual deficits using Americans’ retirement funds, as there is simply no other remaining pool of wealth able to soak up $1.5 Trillion in T-bills annually.

If the US government was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would not be a grain of sand remaining in 6 months.



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Date: Dec 2, 2012
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No, I changed that to Nationalize, not confiscate. That sounds so much better, doesn't it?

I normally wouldn't give credence to that kind of stuff, even though it's on tens of thousands of sites....except for the fact that Jim McDermott's name keeps coming up. With that guy working on something, hang on to your wallet!

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I hear on another site, that the government is going to confiscate all 401k's!no



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If you are still in 401k programs, you may look at 401k-Roths. The reasoning for choosing the Roth 401k is the same for choosing Roth IRA-You pay taxes, once, and not continually. 



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