children who are born to single mothers are unlikely to be loved and taught how to be good citizens.
They certainly wont't grow up to be President of the United States.
Or will they?
" Where I think society fails is psychological care for those that have an abortion. Women are conscious of their abortion, they will see babies, toddlers, kids for yrs, even when they hold their 1st born and wonder what if I didn't? That is the true pain of an abortion. That child which was never born will always be a part of your life."
"pima, evidence actually shows otherwise. The whole post-abortion trauma is largely a myth. Yes, some will experience stress. The VAST majority will not do any of the things you describe.
Psychologists agree. Pro-life people disagree."
I agree with romani on this one. Maybe if someone had a late term abortion they would be in mental anguish, but I don't think that it is a given that women have true pain about a child never born always being a part of your life. I guess you would if after that, you never could conceive.
I realize this is a different situation, but there are definitely some similarities. I had a miscarriage a couple of months along, and I was very traumatized. It sure didn't help that I was right in the middle of a simulator checkride (I used to fly for American) and I didn't feel like I could tell anyone about it. I couldn't talk about it anyways, and was more depressed than I have ever been in my life. But as soon as I became pregnant again, that depression was completely gone. I can look at it objectively now, and think that if I hadn't had that miscarriage, I wouldn't have my incredibly sweet youngest son.
Then again, I tend to think that everything that has happened in my life, both good and bad, and every mistake or good decision I have made has gotten me to where I am. And I am very happy with my life and especially my family. I never, ever, look at other kids and think what if I didn't have that miscarriage?
I used to be extremely anti-abortion. Opposing abortion is the most logical position but no longer the one I choose. For example, if life begins at conception then the mother is killing a human being. That human is one who cannot protect him or herself and needs protection from the law. The US Supreme Court legalized abortion by misinterpreting the US constitution to include the court's policy preference. The idea that a woman has a constitutional right to choose is absolute garbage and merely a creation of the US Supreme Court.
On the other hand, it is more important to me to have good people in our society and children who are born to single mothers are unlikely to be loved and taught how to be good citizens. The odds are that aborted children would grow up to be horrible or marginal people at best. We don't need any more of them. Think of it this way. If it were possible to go back in time and ask the mother of Hitler to abort her child, how could anyone take the position that he should be born? If you take the position that Hitler should have been aborted, then how can you oppose eliminating other less than desirable people from being born.
-- Edited by Razorsharp on Thursday 29th of November 2012 04:35:28 PM
I am not trying to be antagonistic, I just was having an issue trying to figure out where the discussion was going. Kind of like romanig.
For me, I am personally pro-life, but I believe abortion is a choice for that person.
Legalizing abortion IMPO is good. Where I think society fails is psychological care for those that have an abortion. Women are conscious of their abortion, they will see babies, toddlers, kids for yrs, even when they hold their 1st born and wonder what if I didn't? That is the true pain of an abortion. That child which was never born will always be a part of your life.
So is it good? I don't have the answer. I can only say legalizing it is.
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I'm sorry, RS, I have a hard time following people's positions over time (there's just so many people :p). Did you used to be pro-life and now you're pro-choice, but with the idea that life still begins at conception?
Really asking. I love hearing about people's change in views. I myself used to be pro-life.
I believe that life begins at conception and continue to believe this. There is no other point at which life can begin
With that said, abortion is good. Why? We have over 300 million people in this country and we don't need any more. The only additional people we need are good people who are hard working and obey the law. The vast majority of abortions are by women who are likely the takers and not the producers in our population. They are or will be single mothers and not likely to enable a father's influence on their children. That means the male children born to them are less likely to obey the law and less likely to be hard workers.
If it were possible to identify future criminals and abort them before they were born, that would be a good thing. Given the population having abortions, it is the next best thing to getting rid of people who are not likely to help out civilization.
pima, evidence actually shows otherwise. The whole post-abortion trauma is largely a myth. Yes, some will experience stress. The VAST majority will not do any of the things you describe.
Psychologists agree. Pro-life people disagree.
ETA: Here's a pretty good summary with a lot of links: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/03/06/abortion-mental-illness-link-doesnt-hold-up-researchers-find/ Yes, it's Fox.
-- Edited by romanigypsyeyes on Wednesday 28th of November 2012 07:27:42 PM
