also, she is still in uniform, I believe. O-5 in the Reserves. So she should be receiving some punishment as well.
Further questions about whether or not any part of this affair occurred while Patraeus was still in uniform. A four star having an affair with an O-4 probably doesn't go over very well.
They'd probably yank it away from us peons in a minute, but who knows with someone this important.
I only held a secret clearance, never top secret. My husband did, because he flew the EC-135, where the had the ability to launch the nukes airborne, if ground facilities were taken out. I had a less exciting job, like flying generals and senators, explosives, body bags, tanks and freight of all types. They probably never told us if we were carrying anthrax or something particularly interesting. One of my more exciting trips was flying a strawberry run to Vandenburg for the 4 star. Didn't need a top security clearance for that, though they probably should have put a guard on those cases of strawberries we brought back. Yum!
Apparently the woman Broadwell was sending emails to was Jill Kelley who was a State Dept. liaison. I hope Broadwell's emails are disclosed. That could be some interesting reading.
I am sure he will testify, but the Hill will do it in secrecy since much of the Benghazi issue is classified. The fact he is not with the CIA anymore does not matter. Busdriver and I both know how TS clearance works. It is done every 5 yrs for 5 yrs. Tomorrow, 2 days from now, 2 weeks from now, and maybe even 2 yrs from now he will still have at least a TS clearance. His affair and resignation won't change that issue.
clearances can be taken away at any point.
I suppose he might keep his, different spanks for different ranks and all, but average joes wouldn't keep theirs in this situation.
edit: also, looks like she had some inside info on Benghazi, based on a public presentation at University of Denver. Unclear where she got that info and whether or not she would've had access based on other things she was working on.
-- Edited by soccerguy315 on Sunday 11th of November 2012 07:13:26 PM
RS="What I want to know if if the FBI can read his emails without him knowing it, why can't the Chinese read his emails? "
I think both knew that emails could be read by monitors. Both chose to Not believe that their affair could be kept secret.
Many universities and companies owe their fame and fortune to the NSA. The Chinese have developed supercomputers. I'd guess, the Chinese do read emails, It would be extremely foolish of us to believe that they or anyone else isn't reading the mail.
Sometimes it is better to have an tight but no so tight security if you want to keep peace.
Anthropologically maybe Haidt has something to say?
-- Edited by longprime on Saturday 10th of November 2012 10:07:29 PM
Also, how can a man entrusted with leading the military be so stupid as to not realize that emails for an electronic record that could be used against him.
What I want to know if if the FBI can read his emails without him knowing it, why can't the Chinese read his emails?
i can see why he had an affair with the woman. She is beautiful, charming, and focused on him. She broke it off but he kept sending her thousands of emails? Crazy.
Gosh, Every now and then I can get some hackles up.
If I said, "No Body is doing, It, " be better? Don't take it personally.
As I said, General P, could be up on Charges. There are things that Everyone, (no disclaimers) should have enough common sense to figure out. It's not that hard, General.
Okay from another forum I belong to linked another source.
This was a WOW to me. I do not know if they are legit, but even if they aren't traction will be an issue.
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/petraeus-resigns-cia-affair/2012/11/09/id/463573 The investigation began last spring, but the FBI then pored over his emails when he was stationed in Afghanistan.
The woman who was having an affair with Petraeus is a journalist who had been writing about him.
Given his top secret clearance and the fact that Petraeus is married, the FBI continued to investigate and intercept Petraeus’ email exchanges with the woman. The emails include sexually explicit references to such items as sex under a desk.
Such a relationship is a breach of top secret security requirements and could have compromised Petraeus.
At some point after Petraeus was sworn in as CIA director on Sept. 6, 2011, the woman broke up with him. However, Petraeus continued to pursue her, sending her thousands of emails over the last several months, raising even more questions about his judgment.
If this is true, all anyone can say is WOW and OMG.
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Well, supposedly it is the author of his biography, but I still say big whoop!
As far as the emails and giving passwords, I am not biting off on that. He has for 30 yrs known what OPSEC means, I doubt that his wife has access to his passwords before he started this affair. In the Pentagon Bullet has 2 monitors and 2 towers, one is for TS+ clearance only, the other is for everything else. Think of a kosher kitchen...the two never meet. Bullet is only a FS 15 step 10, which is still pretty high, but not a SES position.
Petraeus's career is officially over in the TS world. Granted he won't be hurting for money, and colleges like Gtown, American, and UMDCP will pick him up in a heartbeat as a prof., paying a nice penny, but for guys like him, it is in their blood to be in the thick of things. Being on a board of anything will drive him insane. He is not a corporate guy wanting to spend hours schmoozing or going over budgets.
Now for "we're all doing it"
I am with busdriver. I am not cheating, and I have always said women are our own worst enemies. Bullet when he was flying never had a tan ring on his finger, because the 1st thing they are taught in a fighter is the fastest way to lose your finger is to wear your wedding ring....ejection seat handle! However, this is not Bullet some O5 retiree, this is Gen. Petraeus and she was his biographer. She knew he was married. She had the ability to say leave your wife, call me 3 months later. She didn't do that, instead, she was an interloper. She had no respect for herself. ~~~ 10 will get you 20 she now knows her career took a hit too because of her inability to say no.
I also agree Acad grads are human. They bleed red just like you or me. They are not the best husband, son, parent or friend in the world. They are human.
Finally, I agree the Congress can force him to testify. Look they spent how much on hearings and forcing Roger Clemens who is a citizen like you and I to testify, you think they can't get Petraeus to appear.
I am sure he will testify, but the Hill will do it in secrecy since much of the Benghazi issue is classified. The fact he is not with the CIA anymore does not matter. Busdriver and I both know how TS clearance works. It is done every 5 yrs for 5 yrs. Tomorrow, 2 days from now, 2 weeks from now, and maybe even 2 yrs from now he will still have at least a TS clearance. His affair and resignation won't change that issue.
I think IMPHO, he came clean because a reporter was going to bust this story open and as a soldier who spent 30 yrs defending our freedom, he fell on his own sword for the CIA. I don't think it was Benghazi, nor the Iranian shoot down, or PBO winning the election. I think he knew with all of those factors if he stayed to fight the allegations knowing it was true it would only hurt the CIA. Remember the CIA only a few yrs ago under Panetta had respect issues.
It is a sad day for our country because he had an affair, but more importantly as a wife, and a mom it is a sad day for the Petraeus family because their family is going to be stalked for weeks, and that does no good regarding the healing process, whatever they decide for their marital future.
Thanksgiving is 2 weeks away, Xmas is 6 weeks. I sure as Hades wouldn't want to be in their family instead of mine. That is saying alot from a poster who expects to be in NJ in the next few days to bury my MIL.
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Jesse Jackson, Newt Ginghrich, were doing it when Bill was doing It. Like I said, Women have no will power."
I'm not doing it. And I'll betcha most of the ladies on this board aren't cheating either. Those three guys are disgusting. A woman wouldn't need will power to resist, just a little bit of self respect.
2)"Geez, both are Academy"
And.....so what? I work and know many people who are "Academy", and I guarantee you that being "Academy" doesn't make you a bit more moral than anyone else.
"But none of that is binding on Congress. Congress can subpoena anyone it wants, including the General, as a private citizen. This in no way stops his testimony before Congress if Congress wants to tell him to appear, just like Congress subpoenad over the past few years the CEOs of banks, car companies, and cigarette manufacturers."
Will it be interesting to see if the FBI knew about this for some time, and chose this particular time to reveal it?
What are the odds that the Republicans in Congress will be trying to subpoena him, and the Democrats fighting against it? Just wondering. What will you think is going on, if for some reason this is a partisan fight?
BD11 = "My conspiracy theory is that someone made him resign by holding that information over him. The FBI can keep things secret, or they can not. I wonder if he was basically blackmailed into stepping down for some nefarious reason (maybe not testifying about Libya)? Just wondering. "
We're all doing It.
Jesse Jackson, Newt Ginghrich, were doing it when Bill was doing It. Like I said, Women have no will power.
The FBI or whom ever, watched and listened long enough. PBO must of given Petraeus an honorable way out. If Petraeus gave his GF his private passwords or allowed the passwords to be compromised, Perhaps He should be brought up on charges. He'll be very fortunate to only get to resign. Geez, both are Academy.
I see I'm not the only one with that conspiracy theory.
But why would his testimony be cancelled because of an affair? Crap, probably all those guys are having affairs. How does that make him an invalid witness?
Now this could be the real scandal, not the affair.
"Petraeus recently traveled to Libya and the Middle East, and had been scheduled to testify about the Benghazi events next week behind closed doors to the House and Senate intelligence committees. Now, he will not give that testimony."
How convenient. The FBI has known about the affair for months. Why is he resigning now? Why does his resignation insulate him from having to testify before congress? Can't they compel his testimony by subpena?
I am not a conspiracy theorist, but could it be Benghazi?
Of course not. What are you thinking?
The fact that this happened only AFTER the election is a total coincidence, and has nothing to do with anything. Benghazi was, after all, nothing more than a not optimal bump in the road.
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No, I think you folks are hearing misinterpretations. His testimony before Congress is cancelled because, since he no longer works for the CIA, he can't testify on behalf of the CIA. In other words, the White House cannot tell someone to testify who is no longer an employee.
But none of that is binding on Congress. Congress can subpoena anyone it wants, including the General, as a private citizen. This in no way stops his testimony before Congress if Congress wants to tell him to appear, just like Congress subpoenad over the past few years the CEOs of banks, car companies, and cigarette manufacturers.
-- Edited by hayden on Friday 9th of November 2012 06:45:26 PM
