Political & Elections

winchester · Guru

RE: Electoral college

hope · Guru

Why do you listen to other people rant and raves.

Well, I thought it was called "staying informed." But I have realized there is no point, since the media no longer seem to be interested in what is honorable, honest or true. And neither do voters, it seems.

I gave up on Anna Karenina at the Levin agrarian reform chapter twice. (Coincidentally, the heroine of The Marriage Plot had the same problem, which tidbit I recently enjoyed in that novel.) Perfect time to tackle it again.

geeps20 · Senior Member

liberals don't care about the debt..to them, it's all about social issues. They are not analytical or practical people..

SamuraiLandshark · Guru

It's a little challenging to make a friendly wager when the great uniter, isn't a united in any way, shape or form. When the press selectively chooses which stories to run. How many of you know the Iran **** at one of our drones 5 days before the election? How about that deficit? I mourn, less for a presidential candidate and more for our country. Things aren't looking up. Just wait till sequestration happens. Or the fiscal cliff is a reality. Or...so many other things.

longprime · Guru

Why do you listen to other people rant and raves. I only listen to the blue guy that occasionally pops up and of course KlicK and Klac (I think they are way pass the Gov dole).

Me and my blue guy were down when W won in 2004. We made a friendly wager on W's second term. I won. smile

Remember, PBO is the best thing that has happened to the Republicans. They can't be living in their their illusions forever. disbelief

hope · Guru

It's a sport. . Seriously, it's fun.

Wow I have to disagree with that. I am profoundly depressed by the election results. I have sworn off the blabbermouths on all radio and tv channels blabbing about politics. Two days in, I'm doing very well for a former addict.

In perilous times, Americans turned down one of the most qualified men ever to offer himself for the job of president of the United States in favor of a misguided incompetent. After four more years of Obama the country will be even more deeply divided than it is now. Yep, O and his followers have four more years to take their "revenge." Those who voted for Obama can reap what they sowed. Good luck with that. disbelief

romanigypsyeyes · Guru

My vote for Gary Johnson wouldn't count no matter what state I'm in lol

SamuraiLandshark · Guru

My guess is that we will never see the electoral college change. As a resident of California, I think that it's not cool that my vote for GOP will never count. I don't know what would happen to electoral map if it came down to percentage of vote. Nebraska has a different way of assigning electoral votes. Anyone know what would happen in that scenario?

winchester · Guru

This is fun. the election is not even two days ago and we're talking about the next one.

It's a sport.

Watching the election returns come in and watching the map fill up with blue and red is like watching your favorite football team in a game with an intense rival where the lead changes hands several times. That's a "thing" about us humans. We love our teams.

This feels kinda the same way. Seriously, it's fun.

SL is right about Bush.

longprime is right about electoral college. you wanna push my buttons? tinker with the electoral college.

Its time to have a true second party not a bunch of wackos.

It's the libs who are the wackos. Across the world that morality is in the minority; it's the anomaly; it's the exception to the rule that begs explanation.

longprime · Guru

Sure (your vote, not EC) it will SLS.

Wait until the R's become Brownish. wink

-- Edited by longprime on Thursday 8th of November 2012 11:08:19 AM

romanigypsyeyes · Guru

I like Elizabeth Warren. I like Claire McCaskill (though I'm not sure the Democratic party can go back to a presidential candidate who doesn't support same sex marriage now). I liked Olympia Snowe :(.

I don't think Hillary wants to run to be honest. I definitely like her a lot more now than I did in 08. I've changed, I think, not her.

I do think the electoral college needs to change, but I don't think that straight popular vote is the answer either. Figuring out a better system is way out of my pay grade :p

pima · Guru

I'll throw out a name Claire McCaskill. She is a D from the bread basket. That would be great in roads politically.

I wouldn't count out Hillary.

john doe · Guru

Since I don't follow the Democratic party, I have no idea who they have in the wings. I'll throw out a name - Elizabeth Warren (she's part american indian - LOL!) and a woman.

pima · Guru

GWB would have crushed Obama in 00, and in 04. Different world.

As I stated for months, beating an incumbent is rare, this should have been no shocker to any R. What should have the D's concerned is popular was 50.6% for Obama, and I don't think anyone sees a rising star in the D party.

Marco Rubio was smart, people wanted him to throw in his name for 12, he held off because 16 he has a great shot.

john doe, you still didn't answer my question, you deflected the question with your comment, but in 18 months from now they will need a candidate. Joe is not a viable option. R's have Marco Rubio and as the media reminded everyone all night long the hispanic vote is 17%. It will be the same as PBO from a racial perspective. He would be the 1st hispanic President.

SamuraiLandshark · Guru

" The republican party of 2000 with George Bush would have crushed Obama. There is no excuse for the crap that the party is trying to push." Ironically, George Bush had a lot more in common with the Dems in 2000 than any other Republican in a long time. Who knows what would have happened if Sep 11th didn't happen. The reality is he was far better at being the compassionate conservative and spending money on programs than Mitt Romney or John McCain would have. The joke is that Democrats often have a frothing dislike for Bush, but he was a lot closer in philosophy to the Dems when it came to spending on social programs than most in the GOP. And the Dems have never met an entitlement program they didn't like.

john doe · Guru

"When PBO won in 08, I expected 8 yrs., I hoped for 4, but honestly, I am okay because come 14, when the healthcare issue and taxes increase next yr., my true desire will occur, the Hill will go back to the R's, and put Rubio up against any D and from 16-18 you will have R's back, just like in 00, and 08."

Not if they keep up with the stuff they've been spouting in this election. Listening to some of them, they still haven't learned. The republican party is far different than in 2000. As far as 2008, God running as a republican would have lost the election to bozo the clown because of the economy.

longprime · Guru

The electorial college is a Consitutional issue. Many R's and TeaParty and Libertarians would be very upset if a group tinkers with this Promise.

If anyone would be upset, it would be the D's, with Al Gore winning the popular vote in 2000 but lost the Elector College.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_presidents_lost_the_popular_vote_but_won_the_electoral_college_vote

-- Edited by longprime on Wednesday 7th of November 2012 07:37:01 PM

winchester · Guru

cut out all the tea party crap

Here's a copy of the Tea Party Manifesto: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution.html

You demonize that which you do not understand.

john doe · Guru

Perhaps if the Republican party fielded a credible candidate and cut out all the tea party crap, they would have won. Not only didn't they win, they lost the key battleground states, they lost Wisconsin, Mass, NH, Michigan - the Romney and Ryan home bases. The republican party of 2000 with George Bush would have crushed Obama. There is no excuse for the crap that the party is trying to push. Its time to have a true second party not a bunch of wackos. My moderate Republicans all lost - thank you very much. Blame yourselves for the potential apocalypse.

busdriver11 · Guru

"May the zombie apocalypse begin."

That sounds prophetic.

Well, now in my state we can smoke a joint, while attending a gay marriage and toasting PBO and our loser Democrat governor.

Not that all of that is a bad idea. One out of 4 is better than nothing.

I'm trying to think of the positive here. This benefits my family financially. The market likes Bernanke printing money so our funds will rise, we borrowed a crapload of money, so it's good that interest rates will stay down because the economy will stay depressed, and we can buy more condos because of cheap short sales.

Not so good for most everybody else though, except for John Doe. I would have happily given up my benefit for most everyone else to prosper. Sorry.

pima · Guru

John,

It maybe the cynic in me, but the fact is when you are going against an incumbent, it usually is not your best candidate, it is always the long shot, dark horse. Look at Reagan and Mondale. Look at Bush 41. Honestly, most people will tell you Ross Perot cost him the election. Had he not been in the race, Clinton would have most likely not have won. Look at Clinton and Dole. Bush 43 and Kerry.

McCain screwed up because he picked Palin for one reason...she has 2 XXs. Had he picked a better candidate, he would have had a better shot.

IMPO, again, just a cynic, and a jersey born cynic at that, Christie was the nail in Romney's coffin. He did that for his own political desires, nothing more...there is always a spec of truth with SNL parodies. The 1st gush over Obama visiting wouldn't have been that bad, but when Obama called him and he spoke to the Boss it became apparent to most R's, he had his own political strategy. That strategy is to run for 2016.

Bullet and I discussed that a couple of days ago, and we both agreed Christie was stupid with his gushing. Christie is liked in NJ, but he will never make it out of the primaries because the early states don't take kindly to his brashness. He will be the 1st to drop out of 16.

Not trying to start a 16 thread, just trying to explain.

Honestly, if you also look at history, the 2 term President's party usually does not win the next one. 16 might be different because I don't see Joe running, but than the question is who will be the D nom? Who can you say right now is a strong D candidate like PBO was in 06, after becoming their shining son at the DNC convention?

I can tell you who the R's will be; Marco Rubio or Jeb Bush, both who gave key speeches at the RNC. Both who will get them in-roads with the largest growing voting segments...Hispanics.

Let's be honest, if you watched the univision commentator last night, he stated 17% of voters are hispanic. Marco Rubio would carry FL, VA, NM, CO along with TX, maybe even MD if he selects the right running mate. Jeb's wife is Columbian and FL gov. Not as strong of a choice as Marco.

When PBO won in 08, I expected 8 yrs., I hoped for 4, but honestly, I am okay because come 14, when the healthcare issue and taxes increase next yr., my true desire will occur, the Hill will go back to the R's, and put Rubio up against any D and from 16-18 you will have R's back, just like in 00, and 08.

The real power is on the Hill not in the WH. WH can place their goals on the table, but it 1st must make it through the House, and with R control it won't. The President can veto, but with so much partisanship, I can't see a veto working. What does that leave us with? I know...gridlock for at least 2 more yrs., and those on the hill will feel the anger from constituents. Hence, come 14 and 16 the Hill will look different than it does today.

-- Edited by pima on Wednesday 7th of November 2012 07:15:00 AM

SamuraiLandshark · Guru

We are done. And I do mean that, literally. Obama wins electoral without all the votes counted. My state just closed polls 22 minutes ago and they called the state. We will see what popular ends up but the electoral college has spoken. May the zombie apocalypse begin.

cbreeze · Veteran Member

I agree. I don't understand this "winner takes all" process. If my state has 49% of the population voted for one party, I want to see 49% of the electoral college votes go to that party. Under the present system, the 49% doesn't count at all.

-- Edited by cbreeze on Tuesday 6th of November 2012 09:21:07 PM