Political & Elections

longprime · Guru

the 47% solution

pima · Guru

I was waiting to see when the long term memory of Republican pundits would happen and obviously they finally remember Obama the candidate in SF said there are Americans that cling to their religion and guns in a very negative light.

How is it so different? Obama announced that he wouldn't get those votes as a candidate. He was right. That is all Romney was saying. It had and has absolutely nothing to do with anything more than knowing where your weaknesses are in a campaign strategy and acknowledging them.

The fact that the D's tried to paint this issue as they would never ever say something like that, they believe in all Americans is what irks me.

Goose meet Gander. Gander meet Goose!

longprime · Guru

RE: the 47% solution: Don't get it

longprime · Guru

RE: the 47% solution

longprime · Guru

RE: the 47% solution: Stop Beating Up the Rich

longprime · Guru

RE: the 47% solution- Pawlenty should have waited.

winchester · Guru

RE: the 47% solution

winchester · Guru

He was deluded with the idea that the philosophy, tactics, and skills of community organizing translated into the Presidency. In other words, he was, and still is, clueless as to what the job really is and his fitness for it.

He got enough people to share in his delusion that he got the job.

Recent events and Obama's response to them prove that his thinking is still in community organizer mode.

The fact that he's been in the job for almost four years and is still as clueless as he was on day one proves that he's even less qualified to have the job now than he was at the beginning (which was about zero). He should be able to read the handwriting on the wall; learn, grow, adapt, as Clinton did. But no. He does not even know the handwriting is there.

It's time to let him go.

pima · Guru

Did I miss something, wasn't Obama going to change Washington?

Wasn't that part of the Hope and CHANGE?

winchester · Guru

As I said....

Obama's "can't change Washington from the inside" blunder is more revealing about why the incumbent has been unable to dispatch a Republican challenger whose stumbles have been endlessly amplified by the press -- whose deficiencies as a candidate have been endlessly reinforced by tens of millions of dollars of searingly negative, highly personal attacks by the president's campaign.

Team Obama embraces the concept of community organizing, the candidate's professional pathway into politics, as the model for political success.

Community organizing is a concept that calls for activists to identify a problem facing a disadvantaged community and then organize its members to create pressure on those in power to effect necessary changes.

This differs from typical American politics in which candidates and elected leaders search out spontaneous, organic political movements and try to get out in front - to lead and shape those movementshttp://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/21/obama-cant-change-washington-unless-change-voters/#ixzz277rauT5J

For the record, this came out (or at least I found it) AFTER my post below.

-- Edited by winchester on Friday 21st of September 2012 10:26:54 AM

winchester · Guru

he has painted himself into cornors. All by himself

And Obama hasn't?

Look, anyone who doesn not like either guy can find any number of examples that "prove" their feelings.

But the bottom line is that Obama simply does not understand human nature, fundamental American principles, basic economics, and he has no grasp whatsoever of how to conduct himself, and thus the country, with foreign leaders. His is in way over his head.

The only leadership experience Obama had was as a "community organizer," and at that he was more of a teacher, a lecturer, than an actual, you know, do-er. The role of a community organizer is, simply, to leverage a sentiment or a feeling that already exists within a community by getting the people who share that sentiment to work together, generally as a mob, to extort concessions from whichever element of "the man" they have a beef with. It is classic leading from behind. It's not an accident that that phrase is used to describe his style. It's true. It's what community organizing is. Read Rules for Radicals, you'll see. The problem is that that tactic does not work from the White House. It's not the right fit for the job, any more than being an NFL lineman qualifies one to be a quarterback. The personality of a community organizer as a leader, especially of a nation, is a non sequiter; sort of an oxymoron. He's great at giving speeches and posing as a leader with columns and smoke, but terrible at actually leading; at identifying a goal, a vision, and inspiring people to follow him toward that goal. He has no idea, no clue, how to lead from the front. It's not in his nature. It's not who he is. If you understand what a community organizer really is then you understand the essence of who Obama is, and what that is is many things, none of which are even close to the concept of "leader," rightly understood.

Romney has a much, much better grasp of what America is supposed to be about, understands economics, and knows how he and America should act with the rest of the world, has executive experience, and is a leader.

There is a night and day difference between the two. Obama is a lightweight, a loser, a snake oil salesman who charmed his way into the White House. Nobody will say that Romney charmed his way into anything he ever did or will do. He earned it, and if he wins he will have earned that too, and we'll have some actual leadership, and not the floundering, aimless, cluelessness we're currently afflicted with.

-- Edited by winchester on Friday 21st of September 2012 06:03:58 AM

catahoula · Guru

Actually, I think he was more focused on putting people out of work so they would kick-off from a loss of medical insurance.

Winchester's pointed out over on your Latino thread that corners are really just opportunities to a circle kind of guy - you don't feel Romney's got Obama's math skills?

longprime · Guru

I did not mean MR is a bad business man, on the contrary, probably is a good business man. However he functioned as a banker a middleman who had willing sellers and buyers.

As a Politician, he has painted himself into cornors. All by himself, ... maybe with some advisors help.

catahoula · Guru

MR may have been a good businessman, but he's NO politician. He's an Idiot and we have suffered through one too many.

No, unless the fact he made a lot of money with other peoples money is a lie, he's a very good businessman and politician enough to make it to a governorship.

I'd think the "Idiot" would follow from the second, not the first, but that's dangerous ground anyway, lp - reports are that O is a consumate politician, which would make him....

.... what, Joe Biden's soulmate?

blankmind · Senior Member

Someone should have told Netanyahu that all he needed to do was dress up as a pirate and he could have had a meeting with the pres

SamuraiLandshark · Guru

I am probably just as disturbed by the inanity of our President posing with a pirate in costume and twittering as a Pirate, yesterday, as you are about MR being out of touch. There are massive problems with country. Don't worry - Obama raised 6 million parting with his donors the other day at JayZ's club. 800 dollar champagne bottles are kind of... Dare I say it? Out of touch with the 47 percent, too.

longprime · Guru

I have a small presentation on business:

"A Business first function is to make money.

The second function is to keep that money, Every and Any legal way possible. That means pay as little in taxes as possible. Our tax structure favors the Business Owner because Business is the one that creates jobs. It's the worker who pays taxes. Given your choice which would you be? "

Now most small businesses, don't make enough money to pay income taxes. And if the business is big enough, it hires an accountant to show them how to minimize their tax liability.

M Romney may have been a successful business man who learned how to make money on other peoples' money and original work. IOW, MR was a Banker who risked OPM and very little of his own.

The more I think about his 47% statement, I coming to the point where MR may have been a good businessman, but he's NO politician. He's an Idiot and we have suffered through one too many.

The Congressional R must be getting worried. He has reputiated many of their basic tenents (other than PBO is not Presidential). If MR wins the Presidency, he is going have a skeptical Congress. especially from the Republican side. PBO and Party are going use this 47% to their advantage and turn that in 270+ Electorial Votes.

-- Edited by longprime on Thursday 20th of September 2012 06:22:48 PM

catahoula · Guru

If the 47% of us who pay no fed taxes are a lost cause to the Republican Movement and to this election cycle, which means MR and R's must win on the remaining 53% of the electorate. Now I may have my assumptions wrong...

Yeah, I think you do.

Somewhere in all those campaign ads jazzy was cooking the other day is the assumption that the struggling college student plans on always being one. Or that the SS and Medicare dependent senior somehow never worked, never contributed. Really, that they feel Romney had precisely them in mind when he said if there's enough people on the dole, they'll eventually have enough stroke to make sure the dole never disappears. Big a disappointment as it probably is to the media, the polling suggests they think he's talking about the other guy, or they just don't give a crap that he said it at all.

I would like to venture the observation that the our last ?lost? four years of economic growth may very well lead some college students to realize being a student is about all the career they're gonna get.

-- Edited by catahoula on Thursday 20th of September 2012 04:41:19 PM

longprime · Guru

SamuraiLandshark wrote:
I am probably just as disturbed by the inanity of our President posing with a pirate in costume and twittering as a Pirate, yesterday, as you are about MR being out of touch. There are massive problems with country. Don't worry - Obama raised 6 million parting with his donors the other day at JayZ's club. 800 dollar champagne bottles are kind of... Dare I say it? Out of touch with the 47 percent, too.

at least its alcohol. Can you imagine $800 Welches grape juice/bottle. confuse

Well, It was Pirate Day. He's cool. Pirates are also 100% entrepreneurial, venture capitalists, that stole from the Catholic Spanish Monarchy who zealously enslaved Natives and Africans in the name of Christianity. Can you imagine MR dressed in a Pirate outfit-A black shirt, Starched. MR can never be seen as a pirate-too much correlation to Bain-

-- Edited by longprime on Thursday 20th of September 2012 12:19:59 PM

-- Edited by longprime on Thursday 20th of September 2012 12:25:19 PM

-- Edited by longprime on Thursday 20th of September 2012 12:28:11 PM

blankmind · Senior Member

Your arithmatic may explain why Obama will be re-elected. Too bad it can't explain how that's a good thing.

longprime · Guru

If the 47% of us who pay no fed taxes are a lost cause to the Republican Movement and to this election cycle, which means MR and R's must win on the remaining 53% of the electorate. Now I may have my assumptions wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the remaining 53% are not all gonna vote for his Arithmetic, even though he made a fortune in the manipulation $$$$ numbers. evileye

Let's take MR's argument a step further, The 15% bracket people, are they a lost cohort to MR and R's ? Think 15% people are also wage earners, thus federal payroll taxes should be included at an minimum of 7%, which means their total tax is at least 22%+. So if MR's fed tax is 13.5% and he had never paid payroll taxes, MR, Himself, is a Republican lost vote that will go to PBO, who is at the highest tax bracket of 35% (?). ashamed

So if you don't like my logic. Then imagine yourself being part of the 47% and your next President doesn't want your support or expect you to follow his leadership. Anybody want to be a soldier and follow PMR?