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W, just like Obama can't collect intel any faster or slower than the military can collect it. SEAL teams are the elite. They are not like the AF's F15, 15E, or 16s where they rotate in and out. Nor are they like Navy aircraft carriers. They have a very unique mission, and if W was told like BC was yrs earlier, he would have sent the SEALs in for that mission.

The idea he got bogged down in 2 wars and that is why he wasn't captured is ludicrous. Flip it around, why did it take Obama 3 yrs to get BL? Was he bogged down too? Or was it they did not have credible intel to be 1000% positive before sending/risking our troops?

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I would tend to say that W wanted BL early on but, he squantered an opportunity earily on, and then got bogged down in his two wars. 



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I agree with you winchester. Obama kept us safe because he didn't mess with the mechanisms in place, than on the flip side, I guess you have to give him credit for not messing with it in the 1st place.

The idea that Obama killed Osama, and Bush didn't is also laughable IMO. Obama did not allocate more resources to finding Osama than Bush did. It was just a matter of time.

Jazzy,

If you remember Gulf I the reason it didn't escalate into a full World War was because of Bush 41's actions. He kept them out of it and did everything to make sure they wouldn't enter. He understood that if Israel entered the war would be drastically changed. We didn't send Patriot missiles to Israel because we had spare money or armament laying around and thought let Israel have them we are not using them. He sent them to show the world we will support Israel.

Israel has a right to defend their country, and they are our Allie.

The Burak and Peres comments are laughable IMO. What did you expect them to say? Seriously, Obama has turned his back on them, they want to talk to him. Do you think they will say he is a lousy president, and expect he will than place the welcome mat out? They are talking to the American media. Would you say anything different than them even if you had problems? I wouldn't...the cliche airing dirty laundry comes to mind.

As far as Russia, that comment about once I am re-elected only happened in the last few months when Obama met Medvedev. I am not talking about when Hillary gave them the reset button a few yrs back.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/26/us-nuclear-summit-obama-medvedev-idUSBRE82P0JI20120326
"This is my last election ... After my election I have more flexibility," Obama said, expressing confidence that he would win a second term.

"I will transmit this information to Vladimir," said Medvedev, Putin's protégé and long considered number two in Moscow's power structure.

The exchange, parts of it inaudible, was monitored by a White House pool of television journalists as well as Russian reporters listening live from their press center.

The United States and NATO have offered Russia a role in the project to create an anti-ballistic shield which includes participation by Romania, Poland, Turkey and Spain.

But Moscow says it fears the system could weaken Russia by gaining the capability to shoot down the nuclear missiles it relies on as a deterrent.

It wants a legally binding pledge from the United States that Russia's nuclear forces would not be targeted by the system and joint control of how it is used.


I agree with Mitt's position on Russia. Russia is getting very chummy with Venezuela, Cuba and Iran. Our foes. Putin, Chavez, Castro and Ahmadinejad our nut balls, all Putin needs to have a royal flush is to add Kim Jong Un. I think most people believe Putin admires these guys because they have what he wants...a dictatorship.



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Obama gets as much credit for "he kept us safe" domestically as Bush did after 9/11.

No. Not even close.

Bush defined the policies, put the mechanisms in place, implemented them, and ran them for years

He handed a designed, built, and working system to Obama.

Obama kept it working, with varying degrees of success.

Equating Obama with Bush is like equating John Scully with Steve Jobs.






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On Iran:

I suspect the comments about the Navy are Iranian saberrattling in response to Netanyahu's pressure to initiate military action.  

Personally, I applaud Obama's refusal to be bullied or led around by the nose by Netanyahu.   Pretty sure that polls indicate Americans do NOT want to go to war with Iran. 

According to an interview with Stephanopolous, Romney admitted that his "red line" position is the same as Obama's, unless that was another gaffe.  Sounded like the same red line to me --- no nuclear weapon will be allowed.   Sanctions that bite, which is already happening, since Iran is losing revenue on a million barrels of oil a day. 

Obama said that he has been explicit and clear that "we'll prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons," adding that "there is no daylight between Israel and U.S. positions on this." Obama acknowledged the Israeli government's right to act in its own interest for self-defense, stressing that there may come a time for military action, "but not until we have exhausted all options," and that there is "still time and space for diplomacy."

 Russia:

From what I've read, Obama’s “reset” policy with Russia has worked fairly well, despite Putin's reemergence. By negotiating a new arms control treaty and adopting a missile defense plan that is technologically strong — yet less objectionable to Moscow than President George W. Bush’s proposal — Obama assuaged some of Russia’s exaggerated fears about U.S. defense capabilities.

One result has been that NATO now moves 65 percent of all its supplies into Afghanistan through the Northern Distribution Network — with Russian support. For the past five months, in fact, it has approached moving 100 percent of supplies that way because Pakistan’s ground corridors have been shut down over disputes between Islamabad and Washington.  And another important result of the Russia reset has included the tightening sanctions on Iran.  Russia has also gone along with Washington’s requests to forgo sales of advanced air defense systems and other modern weapons to Iran, absorbing an economic price in the process.

Most of this progress is fragile. The next steps on Russia are also hardly obvious — and worthy of debate in this election year. Ditto for how to motivate European allies to increase their anemic defense spending, now typically less than 2 percent of gross domestic product, while the U.S.’s remains more than 4 percent.

But the headway made with Europe and Russia on Obama’s watch has helped U.S. interests — without requiring any compromises on principle or substance.

Contrast that with Romney's foot-in-mouth reference to Russia as the U.S.'s No. 1 geopolitical foe.

As Colin Powell commented on MSNBC's Morning Joe, "Come on, Mitt, think!"

 He continued saying that the foreign affairs community has been taken aback by some of the presumptive Republican nominee's positions.

 



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Has Obama brought about world peace and the easing of hostilities in the Middle East?  No, clearly not.

Has he had any positives on foreign policy?   Yes, certainly.   Of course it depends on who you ask.

First, on national security, imo Obama gets as much credit for "he kept us safe" domestically as Bush did after 9/11.     Many would credit him for decimating the top leadership of Al-Qaeda and maintaining Patriot Act security measures to the detriment of his political standing with parts of his base.   


Afghanistan:  Colin Powell gave an interview to Fareed Zakaria and was asked to comment on Obama's foreign policy, and his answer was, "I think he's done reasonably well, very well, in fact."  Noting that he ended combat operations in Iraq as promised and that he is pursuing a steady strategy of slowly getting us out of Afghanistan.   Too slowly for some, of course, but Powell seemed to have a positive view of how Obama was handling the war in Afghanistan.   I'd rather we pull everybody out tomorrow and spend our money building our own infrastructure, but will defer to Powell on the sense of going slow. 

 Israel: 

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak: In an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak responded to a question about the state of the current U.S.-Israeli relationship by saying, "I should tell you honestly that this administration under President Obama is doing, in regard to our security, more than anything that I can remember in the past." [CNN, The Situation Room7/31/12

Israeli President Shimon Peres : In an interview with Charlie Rose, Israeli President Shimon Peres stated that Obama is "a great president and a great friend of Israel," and that security cooperation between the United States and Israel is "the best we've ever had." In an interview on ABC's The View, Peres also stated: I think under President Obama we have the best relationship on the issue of security. Never was the security or the needs for the means of security better met than today under President Obama. This is a fact." 

Obama spoke of the "unshakeable commitment" of his government to Israel's security and announced a previously authorized $70 million in U.S. funding for Israel's Iron Dome missile defense system. "This is a program that has been critical in terms of providing security and safety for Israeli families," Obama said of the Iron Dome system. "It is a program that has been tested and has prevented missile strikes inside of Israel. And it is testimony of the leadership of folks sitting here that we are going to be able to lock in that funding to make sure that program continues and that we are standing by our friends In Israel when it comes to these kinds of attacks."

 

 



 


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Okay, you didn't say it, you inferred it and now you are parsing your words, IMPO.

How you read that as supporting a headline that Obama claims "hostilities will ease on the day I'm inaugerated"......I don't know. I'm taking from that a message that if we can dialogue and work with other countries, ultimately that will make us safer.

What exactly was your point if not to imply or infer ?

I just said, I don't see how we are better off, I see it as being worse off. I asked what Obama has done. I asked for you to defend his administrations actions from a positive perspective.

Nothing more than that.

I am willing to listen, believe it or not, I am, but illustrate with examples how dialogue has worked, and is making us safer. I am pretty sure the Libyan Ambassador's family does not agree with you. Nor Egypt, Sudan or Israel. Iran isn't looking to good either, nor Venezuela and to be honest, Russia too. Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen are not in the sure shot corner.

SO how is that dialogueeyy thingy working?

I am not proposing going in barrels blazing. I am saying you can't say well Egypt isn't an ally, nor is it an enemy. You can't say Jerusalem is not the capitol of Israel and change it 48 hrs later. You can't tell Medved after I am re-elected things will change on a hot mic.

This is occurring because under this administration we haven't had a concise policy regarding our policies. Dialogue shmialogue. Hostilities rose under his watch, and no matter how you spin it, you know, I know and everyone else knows that the comment in question's meaning was the world would be a safer place under his watch.

Again, instead of turning the tables on me to prove what you said, just respond on how the world is safer.

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1. 1000 troops died in Afghanistan over a decade, and 1000 more have died in the last yr.
~~~ Is this not a sign of the failed policy?

2. Jerusalem
~~~ Do you think they believe we have their backs?

3. Iran
~~~ Why are they sending their Navy into the straits?

4. Russia and their connections to Venezuela and Cuba

You can sit here and say it is political rhetoric, and much of it is, back the fact is these countries I just mentioned are moving forward and our elections don't matter to them.



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Where did I state any of the things you say I stated?   Please highlight them for me.



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Jazzy,

We have had our issues recently, but I have to ask, are you seriously stating that we are better off now in the Mid-East than 4 yrs ago?

Let me get this right.

1000 U.S. service members died in Afghanistan over 10 yrs, and 1,000 more died in this last yr alone.
~~~ You are stating we are better off?!?!

Iran is threatening to get Israel off the map.
~~~ Is that where we were 4 yrs ago?

Our Embassies our under attack today.

What according to you has Obama done to ease the hostilities in the Middle East? I am not trying to be rude, I am trying ti grasp with facts why you believe he lived up to his words " hostilities will ease on the day I'm inaugerated"

I don't see it. I see it has become worse. Just illustrate how he eased the hostilities.

Like I said, I am willing to listen, I am willing to give him a chance, but stats right now are against him and that is not political rhetoric. That is fact.

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This president along with Mitt  and those presidents before him have bought into the notion that the US can control events in the Arab world and if given the opportunity such as the "Arab spring" that democracy will emerge.  Folks, it hasn't happened and it won't. 



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The conceit of Obama's approach to the Muslim world is its premise that those folks just haven't felt understood enough by us, and of all the presidents and all the administrations we've had, he is uniquely capable of listening to them and letting them know, "i get you," and that will enable them to begin to thaw their hatred toward us, hatred that is understandable because we have been so bad to them over the years, and "that will ultimately make us safer."

It doesn't seem to be working out that way.



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How you read that as supporting a headline that Obama claims "hostilities will ease on the day I'm inaugerated"......I don't know.   I'm taking from that a message that if we can dialogue and work with other countries, ultimately that will make us safer.       That's it. 

But you know, I get that's it's an election and the hyper partisan on both sides are going to s-t-re-t-c-h next to nothing to make points that play with the base on the internet.

I just read a post on one of the hyper sites from "my side" that impied Romney was talking callously about the living conditions of Chinese factory workers and how Americans should be afraid, very afraid as though those conditions are what they should expect ...and I listened to it and I didn't get that at all.  I'm not sure what the point was exactly since it was one of those murky recordings and all he's doing is basically talking about how different working conditions are in China.     S-t-r-e-t-c-h, like I said.



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"I truly believe that the day I’m inaugurated, not only the country looks at itself differently, but the world looks at America differently…If I’m reaching out to the Muslim world they understand that I’ve lived in a Muslim country and I may be a Christian, but I also understand their point of view…My sister is half-Indonesian. I traveled there all the way through my college years. And so I’m intimately concerned with what happens in these countries and the cultures and perspective these folks have. And those are powerful tools for us to be able to reach out to the world…then I think the world will have confidence that I am listening to them and that our future and our security is tied up with our ability to work with other countries in the world that will ultimately makes us safer…"

 

 




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Yes, I listened to it.

He doesn't say or even imply that muslim hostility toward the U.S. would automatically ease once he's president.  Period.  Given our history of involvement in the middle east, no one would make such a simplistic claim and he doesn't.

He also doesn't say or even imply that he could repair singlehandedly anti-U.S. animosity that has existed for decades through multiple administrations.  All he says is that from day one of his inaugeration the world would be able to perceive the U.S. differently because he would be the first president with a background of having lived in a muslim country.  "I'll reach out and I'll listen" aren't campaign promises.    He's just answering an interviewer's question about what distinguishes him from the other candidate irt improving America's image in the world.  

 



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I listened to interview in link. Did you? It is totally fine if you choose to ignore Breitbart as a source. Just realize, I will do the same time Hiffington Post is posted. I did notice that I screwed up thread title. It should have said "ease", not cease. Old eyes. Either way, it was campaign bunk.

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  Typical distorted Breitbart "journalism" that slaps an inflammatory headline on a story, with the certainty that it will be passed around the internet by people who go no further than the dishonest headline before jumping on the bandwagon.

Of course, Obama says nothing of the kind in that interview.  



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At the moment, All I want is for the $$$$$  markets to rise-A lot. Still got a bit more to recover from R's  laissez-faire attitude. I hate  being this aggressive but I have no choice if I want to live in a moderate retirement mode. 

I will say this, If we had a Muslim - there would be no such thing as "interest rates and swaps." 



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FarmDad,

I think you should have said an utter failure.





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I guess they have figured out Obama is just another Christian infidel.

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I think we can safely say that the great one's outreach to the Muslim world was a fail.

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Thought?

The guy has a personality disorder of some sort.

Seriously.



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http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/09/14/FLASHBACK-Obama-The-Day-Im-Inaugurated-Muslim-Hostility-Will-Ease

Thoughts?  



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