Political & Elections

longprime · Guru

RE: Ripe opportunity for more Catholic bashing on CC...

hope · Guru

CC Catholic-bashing alert:

"If the US Nuns go Independent."

Took mini all of 6 posts to get on-board with his pithy bigotry!

hope · Guru

CC members are beginning to acknowledge that abuse goes on in public and private schools by people other than Catholic priests?? Will wonders never cease!!!

I think we are all beginning to see, if we have not seen already, that a lot more of this sort of abuse has and does happen. That it happened within the Catholic church was just one small part of the picture. It wasn't and isn't just priests doing this sort of thing, and not just the Church that was not addressing the issue, sweeping it under the rug, so to speak.

And this:

This may sound odd to say, but of late I've begun to look at much of what went on at my prestige LAC (which at the time I think was 50-60% or so prep school grads) as just kids trying to figure out their own recovery (and without any assistance).

I was astonished to see the Horace Mann story in the Times Magazine. For the first time I feel there may be hope that the public will wake up to the abuse/harrassment that goes on in all our schools and programs that focus on kids.

-- Edited by hope on Friday 8th of June 2012 07:17:33 AM

hope · Guru

This pretty much sums up the tolerance of much of the left:

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/anti-bullying-speaker-curses-mocks-christian-teens.html

The speaker was Dan Savage, founder of the “It Gets Better” project, an anti-bullying campaign that has reached more than 40 million viewers with contributors ranging from President Obama to Hollywood stars. Savage also writes a sex advice column called “Savage Love.”

Savage, and his husband, were also guests at the White House for President Obama’s 2011 LGBT Pride Month reception. He was also invited to a White House anti-bullying conference.

Savage was supposed to be delivering a speech about anti-bullying at the National High School Journalism Conference sponsored by the Journalism Education Association and the National Scholastic Press Association. But it turned into an episode of Christian-bashing.

Rick Tuttle, the journalism advisor for Sutter Union High School in California, was among several thousand people in the audience. He said they thought the speech was one thing – but it turned into something else.

“I thought this would be about anti-bullying,” Tuttle told Fox news. “It turned into a pointed attack on Christian beliefs.”

However, not once did the NSPA or the JEA offer any apologies to the students or faculty advisors or anyone else in attendance.

And for some of his students – they felt like the anti-bullying activist was in fact – the bully.

Using profanity to deride the bible – and then mocking the Christian students after they left the room — is obviously a form of bullying and name-calling,” she wrote.

hope · Guru

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/04/27/Georgetown-Rejects-Sandra-Fluke Poor Sandra.

-- Edited by hope on Friday 27th of April 2012 08:00:01 PM

hope · Guru

Nobody forces anyone to join the Catholic church. If you don't like it, don't be a Catholic. That seems pretty simple to me.

I don't care one whit if anyone else has faith or not. That is their business and I don't spend two seconds thinking about what their life is like without faith, or how they live. Amazing, though, that it seems to be liberals' business what I believe.

It just sticks in the craw of gays and gay activists that the Catholic church will never move on gay marriage. They hate it. They seem to spend a lot of their time consumed by hate.

It's more than hypocrisy. It's a deep-seated mean-spiritedness. I also get sick to death of the lies (for instance that Catholics supposedly make it a habit to "bash non-Catholics").

churchmusicmom · Veteran Member

Wow, Hindoo. I am sorry you have to carry all that around. I will say that I spent many years in much that same state of mind, though without most of the expletives. I abhor religion used to beat anyone about the head and shoulders; to make one feel superior to another; to force someone else to do what you want them to do. And I agree that happens way too often.

But I have learned that those things are NOT what faith is about. We are human and we err. That is a fact. The existence of those bad behaviors, inside as well as outside of any church, is an indicator of the NEED of faith and of forgiveness, to me any way. Don't go in expecting perfection from anyone--you won't get it! Do go in expecting support, peace, understanding, compassion, hope. Those I have found in great measure--sometimes I have to look beyond the crap, though. For sure.

Besides, when I worked in the medical profession in a rehab hospital, I saw first-hand how people of faith dealt with devastating circumstances as compared to those who had never been people of faith. Selfishly, I wanted the strength and peace that came with faith--for me, and for my children. I will always be grateful that I was allowed to so clearly see the difference that faith could make in a life. I needed that concrete evidence and I know that I was very fortunate to witness many things when I worked there...

Now I work in a church. Let me tell you that if I worked here when I was younger and more cynical, I would likely have had a very difficult time of things. People in religious institutions just do not act their best (to put it mildly) quite often. But we are not in church because we are perfect---just the opposite is true. And when we get outside our own set of issues (which happens more than the crappy stuff), amazing things happen to help others (which is what we should be about!).

End of sermon. Truly, I wish you the best.

winchester · Guru

I abhor religion used to beat anyone about the head and shoulders; to make one feel superior to another; to force someone else to do what you want them to do. And I agree that happens way too often.

Replace "religion" with "liberalism" and this statment works just as well.

This is a perfect description of arrogances that oozes from liberal politicians like Pelosi, Reid, and Obama, and the holier than thou, "we know better" attitude that emanates from liberalism in general for its entire history starting with the French Revolution, through the progressive era in the U.S., with the New Deal, through the Great Society era of the sixties, and into the current Obamacare travesty.

All this negative talk about religion is blatant hypocrisy of the liberal pot calling the religious kettle black. And they don't even know they're doing it.

-- Edited by winchester on Friday 27th of April 2012 12:00:07 PM

hope · Guru

Ah, the bracing blast of liberal superiority.

Like old CC times indeed.

We should, indeed, thank you for deigning to post.

SamuraiLandshark · Guru

I stick by, and choose to amend my statement about spammers and tailgaters.

I have also been far more aggrieved by posts on discussion boards and online with anonymous people choosing to spew their own brand of vitriol over the years, than I have witnessed relgious vitriol from folks who are Christian, threatening me to Hellfire and Damnation.

I have been called names that are unfit to print, my character and belief systems have been called into question and even been threatened, a time or two, to the point that I had to get the mods involved in my CC days.

DonnaL · Senior Member

With all the time and energy that the Catholic Church hierarchy spends on bashing non-Catholics and Catholics alike (including all those nuns who apparently spend way too much time talking about poverty, and not nearly enough condemning same-sex marriage), it's hardly in a position to play the victim, as much as it -- and its defenders -- love to view themselves as beleaguered and persecuted victims.

(Every once in a while, I like to check in to see how much right-wing rhetoric has accumulated from a few of the usual culprits here. I'm never disappointed.)

-- Edited by DonnaL on Thursday 26th of April 2012 03:05:59 PM

-- Edited by DonnaL on Thursday 26th of April 2012 03:07:13 PM

hope · Guru

83% of Americans identify with a religious demonination. Between 60% and 75% identify as Christian.

That's quite a burden of anger to be carrying around, Hindoo.

blankmind · Senior Member

And how can you possibly equate some imbecile "tailgating" you with someone who uses their "religion" as a savage, derogatory weapon to castigate, denigrate, and discriminate against people they don't "agree with?" Seriously.

Not to put words in Samurai's mouth, but I feel the same way. I don't have much personal experience with savage, derogatory, castigating, denigrating and discriminating religious people, although if you substitute the word "politics" for "religion" in your sentence, I might agree with you. Be that as it may, if someone exhibits the above personality flaws, I basically ignore their existence. It's much harder to ignore the person driving 2 inches behind you, because they are a more immediate threat, not always as easy to ditch.

Hindoo · Senior Member

OK, and what about those people who "exercise their religion" and at the same time inform those of us who don't "exercise" it right alongside them in Nazi-formation, that we'll burn in hell-fire forever? I don't have patience with that kind of bulls**t, and neither should you. ... And how can you possibly equate some imbecile "tailgating" you with someone who uses their "religion" as a savage, derogatory weapon to castigate, denigrate, and discriminate against people they don't "agree with?" Seriously.

catahoula · Guru

I went through the phase, while I was teenage to twenties, of being contempous of the religious. That there wasn't (and never will be) a lack of devout hypocrites, along with plenty of affirmation from the more worldy made it pretty easy, not to mention it made me feel a little cooler.

Still not religious but I can honestly say I've gotten over the feeling superior bit.

SamuraiLandshark · Guru

One person's gibberish is another person's faith. I am not particularly religious, having listened to my last worship service in my teens for reasons all my own. I have visited many denominations over the years for countless events for friends and family and it doesn't raise my ire any more than anything else in my life. I am probably more bothered by computer spammers or people who tailgate me than someone who is exercising their religion. I am happy for those that have religion because it does give them a sense of peace, particularly in difficult times. I just attended a memorial celebration for a young child that passed away in our community. I am pretty sure that right now that her family is blessed by those who have prayed for her parents and sibling and extended family during this terrible time of losing their girl so young and unexpectantly.

hope · Guru

Wow, I never noticed anything disrespectful toward women in all my years of attending mass. I don't have a problem with only men being ordained as priests, but then again rabid feminists make me gag. The way I see it -- women can pretty much do whatever the hell they want to do nOwadays; if it runs a tingle up your spine to tear down a 2,000 year old institution- go for it . I don't have to respect that either , though .

Hindoo · Senior Member

I went to a Catholic wedding today, a soccer friend of my daughter's. It was beautiful, and brought back lovely memories of growing up Catholic back in the day. But, the same old bulls**t regarding women came up several times in the ceremony, reminding me of why I walked away from the church while still in my teens--and much to my parents dismay. The crap about women being secondary to men, how "Christ is the head of the church and therefore men are the head of the family." It's all gibberish and nonsense. I loathe it.

hope · Guru

Oh, dear...this is could put a dent in some of mini's Catholid bashing It's a staple of his to refer to the American nuns who support his causes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/19/us/vatican-reprimands-us-nuns-group.html?src=ISMR_AP_LO_MST_FB&gwh=2190BDFA251BF112E9A93DE476E5E1D7

-- Edited by hope on Friday 20th of April 2012 03:17:18 PM

hope · Guru

Villanova disinvites an ACTUP performance artist, and the CC crowd is shocked, shocked. confuse

This is beginning to be fascinating. Kick 'em while they're down, I guess.

Will be waiting a long time I imagine for a thread about the rampant abuse going on in public schools. Clueless -- or not.

-- Edited by hope on Thursday 23rd of February 2012 01:42:39 PM

-- Edited by hope on Thursday 23rd of February 2012 01:55:15 PM