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longprime · Guru

RE: Keystone Pipeline

catahoula · Guru

Strange bedfellows.

Crime against nature kind of strange and I'd say there's little chance of them ever having viable offspring. (That is, the environmental lobby and property rights advocates, since the lobby tends to go all sweaty and breathless every time they get to determine what can be done with a piece of private land.)

Eminent domain complaints are liable to show up every time a pipeline is laid, which is all the time. The difference with this seems to be that the anti-carbon crowd is educating the complainers as to the science of this one, heh.

Check out this guy from you piece, lp:

Texas landowner David Daniel said he has experienced that imbalance firsthand. He agreed to lease land to TransCanada but said he was misled about the safety of oil-sands pipelines. He has since launched a group called Stop Tarsands Oil Pipelines to highlight safety concerns arising from the high pressure and unknown chemicals used to extract energy from oil sands.

"Unknown chemicals"? "High pressure"? Seems they've given up claiming the crude is some sort of uniquely poisoneous liquor, since similar is pumped and transported all over, so now they tell suckers the extraction process on par with, oh.... cyanide leaching of mine tailings? The "high pressure" does sound kind of ominous, though - until you consider it'll be less than many crude lines.

And when Stephen Harper goes to the UN and claims he can smell "brimstone" so he's sure the devil had just dropped by, I'll agree there isn't any national interest in preferring Canadian heavy crude over Venezuela's. No time soon, in other words.

catahoula · Guru

What the CherryPoint refinery and the "PNW's" need to import refined products have to do with Keystone is a little unclear to me, lp. Same for whether the pipe exists or not.

Still wondering what it is about Canadians and their oil that has the left's fringe reaching for the Prozac, though.

longprime · Guru

Nice, Cat.

Betcha that the pipe already been made or very near to it.

Betcha that no new steel jobs will develop from this. Pipe will be made from existing workers, overtime, and great utilization of production lines.

longprime · Guru

BP announced today that the CherryPoint Refinery, Washington, will remain closed for an additional month to repair damage from a explosion and fire, and to perform regular maintenance. This refinery supplied 20% of the PNW liquid fuels and a replacement fuels are being sought from as far as Singapore, Taiwan, Phillippines. (source NPR/OPB)

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2012/02/29/2413998/no-estimate-yet-on-when-bp-cherry.html

catahoula · Guru

Today TransCanada announced it would seek approval for one part of the pipeline, the part leading from Cushing, Oklahoma, to Texas refineries in the Gulf. The company said constructing that part of the pipeline would create roughly 4,000 jobs, both in construction and in supporting those workers, and cost $2.3 billion. The company said it hoped this smaller portion would be working by 2013.

In a statement, White House press secretary Jay Carney said President Obama “welcomes” the news. “As the President made clear in January, we support the company’s interest in proceeding with this project,” he said, “which will help address the bottleneck of oil in Cushing that has resulted in large part from increased domestic oil production, currently at an eight year high. Moving oil from the Midwest to the world-class, state-of-the-art refineries on the Gulf Coast will modernize our infrastructure, create jobs, and encourage American energy production. We look forward to working with TransCanada to ensure that it is built in a safe, responsible and timely manner, and we commit to take every step possible to expedite the necessary Federal permits.[/quote

An "eight year high" resulting from drilling on mostly private, onshore lands, but that's not really the hypocrisy here - what's so especially good about this pipeline construction... other than it doesn't cross the Canadian border and carry Canadian crude?

longprime · Guru

BP's washington plant was just a info point.

the real issue for the Keystone Pipeline is not about the environmental studies and fast tracking or even energy dependency. It's about the US gulf refineries being cutoff from Venezuela heavy crude and property rights and eminent domain declaration.

http://www.rollcall.com/issues/57_97/Keystone-Pipeline-Finds-New-Opponents-212467-1.html

The R's happen to spin the Keystone make it as wedge issue. There was short MSM, TV clip a few months ago where good R, Nebraskan land owners are ticked that their Party wants to subjugate individual and property rights to nationalization for the benefit of big business.

cliche: Strange bedfellows. USA whether it uses Venezuelian crude or Canadian crude, is still dependent to foreign countries. And it will always be about $$$$. evileye

http://seekingalpha.com/article/25485-heavy-crude-why-venezuela-and-the-u-s-need-each-other

-- Edited by longprime on Thursday 1st of March 2012 09:11:51 PM

-- Edited by longprime on Thursday 1st of March 2012 09:36:37 PM

longprime · Guru

O M G

TransCanadian (TRP,nye) is a huge company. BIG.

VERY BIG.

http://www.transcanada.com/factsfigures.html

http://www.transcanada.com/docs/Investor_Centre/2011_TCC_AR_Eng.pdf

This company controls the main NG delivery system to Northwest Natural Gas (NWN,nye) system, my gas company. I thought that NWN is a good dividend company to own at 3.7% but TRP is better at 3.9% dividends. Good probability that Your main gas pipeline is a TransCanadian company. yawn

Our friend to the North is sucking us dry. evileye

-- Edited by longprime on Saturday 25th of February 2012 10:31:45 AM

longprime · Guru

evileye

The Republicans are working for the Canadians.

CelticClan07 · Senior Member

Carney is lying through his teeth. Even Tapper has gotten the 'this admin lies most of the time' memo. How does Carney sleep at night? He should be ashamed of himself for being the front man for this regime. His parents must be SO proud. P.S. I paid $3.97/gal for low-grade at Arco today......Ugh, thanks PBO!!!!!

SamuraiLandshark · Guru

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Carney: Obama Didn't Turn Down The Keystone Pipeline

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White House press secretary Jay Carney first says Republicans "forced" President Obama to deny the permit for the Keystone XL pipeline. Later in his press briefing, Carney says Obama didn't turn down the pipeline.

"In terms of Keystone, as you all know, the history here is pretty clear. And the fact is because Republicans decided to play political with Keystone, their action essentially forced the administration to deny the permit process because they insisted on a time frame in which it was impossible to completely approve the pipeline," Carney said when asked about the pipeline by ABC News' Jake Tapper.

Later in the briefing, Carney says it is the Republicans' fault.

Jake Tapper: "How can you say that you have an all the above on approach if the President turned down the Keystone pipeline? And you blame the Republicans for making it political."

Carney: "But the President didn't turn down the Keystone pipeline. There was a process in place, with long precedent, run out of the State Department because of the issue of the pipeline crossing an international boundary, that required an amount of time for proper for review after an alternate route was deemed necessary through Nebraska at the request of the Republican Governor of Nebraska and other stakeholders in Nebraska and the region that needed to play out, to be done appropriately. You can't review and approve a pipeline, the route for which doesn't even exist.

"The Republicans were the ones who unfortunately decided because they were looking for scalps, I guess, or wins in a situation where they somehow found themselves on the wrong side of cutting taxes for 160 million Americans last December. They decided to play politics with this decision and attack the payroll tax cut extension. Even though it was made clear by the State Department that doing so would make it impossible for them to conduct the review responsibly, they did it anyway knowing what the result would be."

longprime · Guru

evileye

Would you trust a Canadian who speaks both French and the Queen's English but Not American?????,

-- Edited by longprime on Tuesday 21st of February 2012 11:51:07 PM

longprime · Guru

i just couldn't figure out why, The Feds needed to get involved with a private pipeline company, moving private oil company, from private sourced oil company, to a private refiner company, or to unknown buyer.????

why is the route set except for Nebraska????? evileye evileye

Why does The USA want to import more Foreign oil, even though it is from Canada. ???? When DS went to Canada grad school 07, exchg rate was about C$0.85=US$1.00. When he in left in Jan 08, the exchge was 1:1. ( Canadian Government gave DS scholarship and stipend, plus free Meds and innoculations for India. Not one $USA was spent). If USA isn't carefully, The Canadian Loon will be worth more than USA $Washington.

-- Edited by longprime on Tuesday 21st of February 2012 11:39:36 PM

-- Edited by longprime on Tuesday 21st of February 2012 11:40:51 PM