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Love the good news for your kiddos BD!!! Keep it coming and here's to MANY more YES letters!! Last year my kid applied to several *Rolling Admissions* schools........that was teriffic for her sanity........and MINE  wink



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:) 

March is such a long month for most of the seniors.  Many of my students are anxious and checking emails multiple times a day for responses from admissions offices.

Just a few years ago they were pouncing on the mail carriers for fat envelopes. Times have changed!



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Thanks, samurai. And we really appreciate all of your help with those reaches! All he needs is one. They aren't all high reaches though, some are less reachy.

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It definitely does help, having some admits before denials.  

7 reaches is a bunch.  I am keeping my fingers crossed it goes well for him.  



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Thanks guys. That first one is a such a sigh of relief. I know he won't get 10 more, being realistic (4 safeties and 7 reaches), but just 1 of his reaches would be great!

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I remember what that feels like. Good news. smile



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Great, busdriver!  Let's home he gets 10 more...just like that one!

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And on a happy note for my family, son #2 just got into one of the 11 colleges he applied to, with a merit scholarship. Of course, it is #10 on his list, but still, it is nice to at least have one college acceptance. He thinks of it as an insurance policy, if everything else falls through, and actually it's a very decent option for him. There is just such a worry until one school accepts them, they just don't know for sure if they're getting in anywhere. I feel very relieved for him now!

And son #1 just got an internship with a major company near where we live, as an infrastructure engineer. Yay, he's coming home for the summer and has a great job. We were very lucky this week as far as kids go. Not so lucky with my dear FIL dying, but I guess it was good and bad.

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It's just about impossible for a kid to pay their own way, I think, samurai. Unless they get large amounts of merit/financial aid. Otherwise they'd need to go to a local school and work, get small loans. Which should be a great option for many, because who wants huge loans to pay back? But when you can't even get into your local school because it's so competitive, that is insane. What a horror story for kids in states like California. The parents being taxpayers and supporting the schools for decades, the kids with decent stats, and they can't even get into their home state schools.

On a related topic, that's one of the things that makes me crazy about people trying to pass the Dream Act. I have no problem with offering citizenship to people who serve in the military (especially in a combat zone). But do we really need to offer that bribe to get more people to attempt to get into state schools, with federal assistance, with the overcrowding and huge amounts of applications as they are? I don't understand it. Offer citizenship to people for doing things that we desperately need, but we sure don't need more people going to the state schools.

Thanks romani, we're hoping he gets into something or another. It sure is scary till they get the first acceptance. Seems odd though, that he hasn't even heard from one of his safeties, as they are all Jesuit schools (that are sending acceptances out already), we're not asking for any money, and he wrote very compelling essays that were pretty convincing about his interest. One of which is my alma matter, and his SATs are very high for those schools. Just one letter, that's all we need. Shoot, the way it sounds around here, it might be tough even getting into community college. Jeez!

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Most of the students I work with haven't heard from the majority of their schools.  It's fairly typical for students to not get a response until March or later, unless they applied to schools with early action or early decision dates.

When I first started working with students in 2007 or so, most students applied to approx 6-8 campuses.  Now the number is usually 10-12.  Some of the numbers truly depend on how many uber competitive schools they apply to - so you usually have to add in more apps.

Still - some of those campuses are the golden ticket and if you get in, it's going to be cheaper for families to send their kids there if they are in a certain financial situation (ie - Harvard, families under $160,000).  

More of my students are also applying to schools in the Western Undergraduate Exchange which offers discounted tuition.  Fewer are applying to the Cal public schools because of costs/harder to get in. Last year I had a 3.9 GPA/1900 SAT student rejected from Cal State Long Beach - this used to be a safety school in our area.  No longer.  Too many kids trying to get a spot.  It's insane. Some privates are also becoming competitive with the publics in terms of endowments, and therefore it's also often cheaper for a middle class family to send a kid to a private than a public in-state.  

So many variables.  All of my students worry about costs and do a great deal of comparison shopping on the financial aid packages.  

It's tough for kids to pay their own way these days.  



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bd, don't get your hopes down yet. Even those who are admitted aren't likely to go because of finances. Also, people might be applying to super reaches with the extreme hope that they'll get in and go for much cheaper than they would their local public. Just because applications are going up, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's getting harder to get in. Maybe this increase is in people who wouldn't get in either way- it's not necessarily an increase in strong applicants.

Good luck to kiddo :)

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Well that's quite disheartening. Kiddo applied to 11 schools (7 very selective) and hasn't heard from a single one yet. Sounds like we can write off at least those 7! How depressing. I thought the economy was eventually going to knock those applications down a bit, but I guess people have more money than ever to spend.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/education/17admissions.html?ref=admissions

 

Applications to Colleges Are Breaking Records

Published: January 17, 2008

Applications to selective colleges and universities are reaching new heights this year, promising another season of high rejection rates and dashed hopes for many more students.

Harvard said Wednesday that it had received a record number of applicants — 27,278 — for its next freshman class, a 19 percent increase over last year. Other campuses reporting double-digit increases included the University of Chicago (18 percent), Amherst College (17 percent), Northwestern University (14 percent) and Dartmouth (10 percent).

Officials said the trend was a result of demographics, aggressive recruiting, the ease of online applications and more students applying to ever more colleges as a safety net. The swelling population of 18-year-olds is not supposed to peak until 2009, when the largest group of high school seniors in the nation’s history, 3.2 million, are to graduate. The rise in applications at three universities — Harvard, Princeton and theUniversity of Virginia — came about as they ended early admissions policies, which had allowed students to receive decisions by mid-December, months ahead of others. The universities said early admissions benefited more affluent and sophisticated students and required students to commit without being able to compare financial aid offerings from various colleges.

The application figures suggested that the end of early admissions did not hurt. Princeton received a record 20,118 applicants, up 6 percent. The University of Virginia received 18,776 applications, a 4 percent increase. Like other campuses, Virginia said its final count was likely to increase slightly, because applications were still trickling in.

Scott White, the director of guidance at Montclair High School in New Jersey, said the school’s college counselors found students tenser than ever.

“There is a pure level of panic and frenzy like they’ve never seen before,” Mr. White said Wednesday. “There are some people who say that with some schools having ended early admissions, the frenzy must be subsiding. I don’t think that’s so.”

Even at colleges, there was surprise over the surges, in part because they followed strong gains in previous years.

“These are amazing numbers,” said William R. Fitzsimmons, dean of admissions and financial aid at Harvard, speaking of his university’s flood of applications.

He said Harvard’s announcement in December that it was sharply increasing financial aid even for families earning up to $180,000 probably spurred applications, but, he said, the rise was visible even before that.

He said that the elimination of early admissions encouraged more interest, too, and that joint information sessions by Harvard, Princeton and the University of Virginia drew “astonishing crowds. ”

The reasons for the swelling numbers — not all colleges have reported yet — go beyond the growth in the college age population and the preoccupation with name-brand schools. Recruiting by elite colleges among low- and middle-income students and in new regions are bringing in more applications.

California, for example, has become a bigger source of applicants for Cornell since the upstate New York university created a West Coast regional office in Los Angeles several years ago.

“Ten years ago, California was not among our top eight feeder states,” said Doris Davis, an associate provost at Cornell. “Now it is among our top five.” Cornell applications rose 8 percent.

At the University of Chicago, international applicants grew 23 percent, to 1,826, and early admissions applicants rose 46 percent, to 4,430, Theodore A. O’Neill, dean of admissions, said.

Janet Rapelye, dean of admission at Princeton, attributed some growth to outreach “to more students from many backgrounds, including lower socioeconomic backgrounds.”

Some of the application increases undoubtedly come, too, from students applying to ever more colleges, in hopes of increasing their chances.

“There was a time when kids applied to three or four schools, then to six or seven schools, and now, 10 or more is not uncommon,” said John Maguire, a higher education consultant.

Mary Beth Fry, director of college counseling at the Savannah Country Day School, a private school in Savannah, Ga., said she had held the average number of college applications at her school to five last year, but expected the number to climb this year because students were so nervous.

Michael E. Mills, associate provost at Northwestern University in Illinois, said the 14 percent growth this year had sent the number of applications to more than 25,000. To help it winnow the field, he said, it hired a new admissions dean, Christopher Watson, from Princeton, who was accustomed to rejecting many good applicants.

“We anticipated having to go down the path of having to make more difficult choices,” Mr. Mills said, adding that Mr. Watson helped with “making very fine distinctions among very similar applicants.”



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