I think there has always been tension within any party because you will always have an extreme element within the party, that being said, I believe the mainstream voters of that party do not really think about them, and that is why you are seeing the loud noise. They are tired of being the red-headed step child.

Only thing to do Pima is go for, Ron Paul. 

You know, everyone could see what was happening when Sarah P was chosen as the VP Candidate. I could see what was happening when McCain got dirtytricked by W's handlers. And Birthers,  No one in the R party leadership wanted to stop that stupidness. I could go on, but what's the payoff... 

This Party must die and die badly. 

Santorum says so few things that I can identify with in any way that I feel as though I'm being punked when he speaks. Then I see the people around him clapping and I think that surely they can't understand what he's saying.

Lately, Romney hasn't said much I can identify with either but I don't think he's being honest about the way he feels about a lot of things.

Trying to keep this now on track for Ricky.

My prediction come election night. By 8:30 we on the east coast will all be mad at the local CBS, ABC, NBC affiliates if he is the R nom, simply due to the fact Obama would have won and we have to listen/wait until CA comes in, meaning we won't see NCIS, White Collar or Biggest Loser!  Oops, sorry we will be watching the Biggest Loser...Ricky!

Again listening to Ricky is like watching paint dry! I would rather stick needles in my eyes than see him on TV. Something about his face/smile is off putting, I don't know what it is, but when I look at him on TV my body literally pulls away and jerks/shrugs in a weird way. Sad to say, but I can deal looking at Ron or Newt over him and not have that reaction. Let's be honest pretty sad to say you would rather look at OOMPA LOOMPA (Newt) or Grandpa (Ron) over someone in your age group!

-- Edited by pima on Thursday 1st of March 2012 11:38:35 AM

LMFAO right now because I know threads divert, but man we have really pushed it if all you did was come to read the 1st and last post you would def. go back and read every post to figure out where we went off the rails.

 

Now JMPO, but I think that shows how little people care about Ricky, that they would rather discuss anything,  but him.  He is like watching paint dry!

-- Edited by pima on Thursday 1st of March 2012 05:16:54 AM

So what? That comment is irrelevant to what Mrs. Obama is doing too. Ms Harding has a point of view. She found research to support it - sort of. She can have her opinion. It's not definitive of anything.

To me, taking a stand against kids being encouraged to eat better is just indicative of the "haters gonna hate Michelle Obama" agenda.

Sasha Obama is a stick. Both of those girls are.

They'd better be.

Sasha Obama is a stick. Both of those girls are.

There is a difference between being a little chubby when you're very young and being on the path to obesity. There are too many kids who are becoming obese, not just "a little overweight" in early elementary school.

I don't agree with the lunchrooms who are swapping out home food for lunchroom food. That's too far. But what is wrong with encouraging healthy lifestyles? The DARE program was a failure so does that mean we should stop telling kids to stay off drugs?

OMG, you mean the author is a FAT PERSON???

Well, then, I guess that's the final word, cartera.

Except for this:

-- Edited by hope on Wednesday 29th of February 2012 07:28:20 PM

My daughter was 11 pounds at birth.  No diabetes, none of that.  My daughter's doctor was  very concerned about her weight being off the chart when she was little.  She was chubby until about 2 and then just sprouted and I think has finally hit her adult height of 5 foot 9.  She is also heavier by typical weight chart standards - her new doc took a glance at her chart and about freaked out, thinking the nurse wrote it wrong. She is all lean muscle and even though she carries more pounds, she wears a small size.  That is what happens with kids who work out as much as she does.  

Kids grow at their own rates.  

I am not for the lunchroom Nazis.  Most everything a kid could bring from home is better than what is in the cafeteria.  Maybe if they cooked their own food, but so much of it is filled with preservatives and reheated in a microwave, there isn't much nutritional stuff there. At least not in the schools I work in. 

Bus we are off topic, but as a retired AF officer you will laugh. AFROTC det had to order pants for him because he was a 29 in waist, 32 inseam, they did not have any that would fit him.

DS has the worst eating habits in the world, coke, potato chips, starch, no veggies is his daily menu. He is athletic because of ROTC, and how the military keeps a score for that. I.E. has to run 1 mile and a 7 minute stinks. Must do 18 pull ups to max. Must do 85 sit ups in perfect from within 2 minutes or 55 push ups. All of these things have limited rest time.

Before criticism gets thrown my way, we called him the "clown" every night I serve veggies and salad, he would make faces while eating the veggies. I got to the point as a parent that I accepted this and at least he had to eat 2 servings of fruit. He will eat an entire watermelon, pineapple bag of frozen grapes in one night. I cannot keep enough fruit in the house

That is why I say this is BS for the chow halls. Don't even start me with the 82nd Army. What our son endures physically is a cake walk. Their PT includes 5 mile walks in Aug with a 70 lb ruck sack, or thrown in a pool with their uniform and boots on, that is why I think her initiative regarding the military is pure BS and a waste of govt dollars.

Yes, we learned about the food groups in school, but this was strictly impersonal. Nobody was pointing fingers at the fatties in the fourth grade.I was a chubby kid. I can imagine how mortified I would have been if Michelle came into my class and told me to do jumping jacks. I was already extremely self-conscious, as was every other chubby friend I had at the time. It's none of your business, lady.Is Michelle aware of the "eating disorder epidemic" among girls?

Has Michelle O actually gone into classrooms and singled out the fat kids to do jumping jacks? I doubt it. In any case, I rather doubt the First Lady's campaign to fight childhood obesity is any more of an embarrassment to fat/chubby kids than they already experience day to day; embarrassment from peers, teachers, coaches, relatives. But never mind, our kids are getting fatter, less active, and less healthy by the day and in growing numbers, but what the hell---just as long as they don't "feel bad" about it... So what if morbidly obese children have adult metabolic diseases at rates never seen before, we should all just shrug it off as "growing pains" and assume it will self-correct. Got it. And as far as the "eating disorder epidemic among girls", you are aware aren't you, that over-eating is the "eating disorder" currently being represented in far greater numbers? But, of course, if MO were to focus on anorexia/bulimia as well, that too would surely be wrong. Afterall, that might make those children feel bad about themselves, because only The First Lady has the power to make kids with eating disorders feel self-conscious about it. While we're at it, we should probably stop awarding letter grades in school, too. The failing kids will probably feel bad about themselves, seeing all those D's and F's...Probably why the Dept. of Education is a bad idea. If only we'd stop spot-lighting problems with education and children's health, they will stop being problems. They're only problems if you say they are, after all...

My point regarding the menu was not petty as far as I see it. My point was this is her platform, lead! Show by example.

Again, her platform is the addressing of childhood obesity. If it were obesity in general, then maybe you might have a point. It was one meal served at the White House to America's Governors. I'm sure there would have been holy hell to pay if she'd have ordered they be served diet food, when every other White House formal dinner since time out of mind has been a venue for gourmet cuisine. I can just imagine the GOP outrage now..."First Lady imposes elitist food doctrine [just another example of Obama False Theology!] upon America's Governors, forcing them to eat supposed "health food" at function. First Lady flagrantly disregards 100 yrs. of White House tradition..." It was also undoubtedly wrong, wrong, wrong for them to serve steak and chocolate creme brulet to 70 Iraqi war veterans at a gratitude White House Dinner tonight. Wrong to invite only 70 of them and not every troop who ever served in Iraq and Afghanistan. But to serve them gourmet cuisine on top of all that?....what the hell were they thinking....?

I think to say Nancy did drugs was wrong regarding comparison. Are you saying she smoked pot, or snorted coke? Her don't do drugs was regarding illegal drugs.

Huh? You might want to re-read what I wrote. I did not say Nancy Reagan ever did drugs of any sort. As far as I know, she did not. I was responding to hope, who apparently tried to draw an analogy between the Obamas sometimes eating things not good for them while preaching about childhood obesity, and Nancy Reagan not doing drugs while preaching "just say no." It's a false dichotomy, and I went on to explain why I thought so.

Petty to you, and I get that, but to me, Bullet and I raised our children by our own actions. No offense, but this is true for the 1st couple. Don't say do this, and do that when it comes to your life. Do it every minute of everyday. You dang well know everything you do will be reported, so live your life that way.

Indeed everything you do will be reported, and spun, spun, spun to make you look bad if it will serve someone's agenda. You just do the best you can and keep moving, because you're damned if you do and damned if you don't!

This, for example:

My guess is that Michelle is projecting her own body image/size/food issues on all of us.  Push-ups on tv? We are required to respect that in our first lady? Why? It's just frivolous.

Lead by example/not lead by example. You're wrong either way...

-- Edited by Poetsheart on Wednesday 29th of February 2012 05:58:22 PM

I agree with hope.

We have a huge eating disorder among females.

It is a choice. Please don't say her program has not cost a dime. We now have Lunch Nazi's at schools. The military is cutting troops due to budget issues, but at the same time they are increasing the food costs for her obesity program. It is inane that people believe this will make a difference for many reasons.

1. Every military installation has Fast Food joints on base. An AIC will just go to BK instead of the chow hall.
2. Every military installation has commissaries and shoppettes, where they sell crap food, such as Bagel Bites.
3. Every AD member must pass a physical fitness test yrly. Plus if they are overweight, they are taped for BMI. If they fail either of these they are immediately placed on a health plan. Changing out the food will not matter, especially when their arse in the sandbox living on MRE's.
4. Our DS is 5'10, 147lbs, and when he went to field training for the AF, he was given 2nds because he was too thin. He was told if he lost 5 lbs during this time he would be medically disqualified.

My point regarding the menu was not petty as far as I see it. My point was this is her platform, lead! Show by example. I think to say Nancy did drugs was wrong regarding comparison. Are you saying she smoked pot, or snorted coke? Her don't do drugs was regarding illegal drugs. I am not, nor have ever been a fan of Nancy as a 1st Lady. I think she was one of the worst from buying china when the economy was hurting to her astrologers and re-gifting. My favorite is Barbara Bush, not only for her fake pearl necklace and highlighting Lupus, but from an interview that explained why you always saw her in mis-matching Keds. She wears mis-matching Keds because she received so many prs from people, according to her over 9K pairs, that she felt if someone spent the money and sent a pr to her she needed to wear them, thus, she wore mis-matching shoes. Every pr she wore was than donated, and sold with proceeds going to Lupus organizations.

The govt did not pay a dime. She helped more just by her name.

Michelle can do the exact same thing. She is known to wear J Crew, I bet my kids she has received gifts like Barbara. Do the same wear it, and sell it with proceeds to go to Obesity programs.

Petty to you, and I get that, but to me, Bullet and I raised our children by our own actions. No offense, but this is true for the 1st couple. Don't say do this, and do that when it comes to your life. Do it every minute of everyday. You dang well know everything you do will be reported, so live your life that way.

Off topic again, but on topic why they have image issues when it comes to the 12 election. We all remember Bush and the golfing ad. This administration states we all must endure the pain. Yet, she has taken 16 vacations in 3 yrs, and AF2 takes her with SS. He has played more golf in 3 yrs than Bush did in 8 yrs. This will be an R ad run over and over again. Not saying this is right, just saying when it comes to the general election they will go for the moderates and Independents. It will resonate with them.

Back on topic regarding Ricky.

Iran and Israel will be an issue from a global perspective. I don't think he has those negotiating skills.

I think he is too much an R.

Of course, if at bottom, you believe the couple in the White House are illegitimate interlopers

There you go again, poetsheart. Talk about a straw man.

Michelle's younger daughter is chubby. As I said, kids go through stages. There is no way to predict that chubby kids will turn into chubby adults. I feel really, really sorry for Sasha. You can't control what people eat. Obviously, she can't even control what Sasha eats (and nor should she). It's a silly endeavor.

Yes, we learned about the food groups in school, but this was strictly impersonal. Nobody was pointing fingers at the fatties in the fourth grade.

I was a chubby kid. I can imagine how mortified I would have been if Michelle came into my class and told me to do jumping jacks. I was already extremely self-conscious, as was every other chubby friend I had at the time. It's none of your business, lady.

Is Michelle aware of the "eating disorder epidemic" among girls?

What we choose to put into our mouths is one of the most personal things we do. If she wants to go after adults, I have less of a problem with it, although it's still stupid for such a high-profile person a a first lady.  Do you really think adults don't know what they should and should not be eating?

Tough luck for Michelle and Barry in their brave new world that people still get to make personal choices in this country.

 

Edit: http://www.state.sc.us/dmh/anorexia/statistics.htm

-- Edited by hope on Wednesday 29th of February 2012 06:07:47 AM

-- Edited by hope on Wednesday 29th of February 2012 07:09:37 AM

I telling you, that Mitt was gonna to win AZ.

A lot of Chicago and Detroit Jews moved to sunny AZ when they retired -Snowbirds. Then they died in AZ. LDS converted them to LDS. Now as LDS'ers they voted for Mitt. Didn't the R's proved that many dead Blacks voted for Kerry. Why not deceased Jew/LDS voting for Romney?

How disappointing - Ricky didn't win Michigan.  Just when it got interesting, things are moving back to dull "treeman" Romney.  Maybe the Republican voters aren't so stupid after all.

MR is going to win the Western States. Especially when the LDS church mobilizes the converted deceased Jews to MR's cause. 

I'm sure the irony does not escape you, romanigypsyeyes.

I'll just shut my eyes and pray, john doe.

... who was quoting Ted Kennedy, to give credit where credit is due.

If people can't tell the difference between advocating for an anti-drug message for kids and telling them what they should be eating, I can't explain it to you.  It's a parents' rights issue. Big government reaching into your kids' lunchboxes. C'mon. Btw, I don't think Nancy was taking drugs on the side.

There you go again. "It's a parents' rights issue" when Michelle O encourages exercise and healthy food to address childhood obesity, but not if Dr. Oz does it, or your pediatrician? It's "Big Government" reaching into your kids' lunchboxes when a woman who isn't government at all merely advocates the same. God forbid she might actually want children in America to be healthier, that evil elitist! Lots of people tell us "what we should be eating" everyday. Heck, the USDA has been doing it for well over 50 years, but I don't recall reading anyone of Michelle O's detractors calling the USDA Big Brother.

And as far as the last sentence, about Nancy Reagan not taking drugs, that point is a straw man. Michelle Obama is not calling for everyone to eat nothing but veggies and tofu. She's calling for healthier food choices being made available to children more often, and for opportunities for children to be more physically active. Why is something like this politically controversial? Everyone knows that growing numbers of children are experiencing medical problems traditionally only seen in adults; things like high cholesterol, high blood pressure and and type 2 diabetes. When this triumvirate of symptoms occur together, they are known as metabolic syndrome, and it's very serious, especially when seen in a 9 yr old. Cases of children with metabolic syndrome are increasing at a drastic rate, and it's something we should all be concerned about. It should not be a issue used as political fodder, and people who are doing so ought to be ashamed. It's mean spirited to attack a First Lady for her sincere attempts to address issues important to childrens' health. I thought the crap Nancy Reagan took for her "just say no" campaign was also cruel, and a cheap attempt to damage The President by using his wife as fodder. It's unfair to expect a First Lady to have all the answers, or to have the power to single-handedly eliminate a large and complex social issue, such as childhood iliteracy, drug abuse, or childhood obesity. Really, the only thing we can reasonably expect a her to do is to shine a light on the problem, and to advoccate for a collective addressing of that problem, for all of us, parents and concerned citizens, communities and lawmakers to work together to lessen its impact on our children.

I had to laugh at the encourage healthy lifestyles because this is what she served for the Governor's reception:
The 2012 Governors' Dinner Menu

It's petty to attack the First Lady as being a hypocrite just because The White House didn't serve a low calorie meal at a formal Dinner. Really? Formal Dinners (especially State Dinners) serve to represent The Presidency of The United States as a Global Power. It is customary for World Leaders to serve only the best, most savory and delicious culinary faire to important visitors and world leaders. It's ridiculous to hold a First Lady responsible for not serving carrots and celery in the name of remaining consistent about fighting "Childhood Obesity" at such an affair. Were there children at this Dinner? And if so, were they overweight? If you're against binge drinking in young people, does it mean you're a hypocrite if you serve wine at an adult dinner party in your home, or if you have an occassional drink yourself? Think about it... Of course, if at bottom, you believe the couple in the White House are illegitimate interlopers, you would probably criticize them for presuming to do what people in their position normally do when carrying out traditional duties in traditional settings; and then criticize them as being "out of their depth" if they were to deviate in anyway from such traditions---catch-22 and all...

-- Edited by Poetsheart on Wednesday 29th of February 2012 12:09:01 AM

RE the "Obesity Epidemic" I thought it was hilarious when there was outrage when some criticized Adele (the singer) for her weight. She came back and said she has a positive body image and **rew them. So which is it, liberals? Tell our kids and teens they are fat in the interest of curing the "Obesity Epidemic," or teach them to have self-esteem and a healthy body image?

Many kids outgrow their chubbiness. That seems to have been the pattern in my birth family and with my own kids. What kind of harm is being done to these kids? Don't girls have enough issues around food? But that's the liberal way--muddled ideas carried out even more muddily. Michelle's crusade is not just silly--it could be dangerous.

hope, trust me when I say I'm far too confident and secure of a person to let anything you say burst my bubble ;). Pleasant day to you.

True, it is. Good thing no one is trying to do that.

lol, pima.

If people can't tell the difference between advocating for an anti-drug message for kids and telling them what they should be eating, I can't explain it to you.  It's a parents' rights issue. Big government reaching into your kids' lunchboxes. C'mon. Btw, I don't think Nancy was taking drugs on the side.

 

romani, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but experience does count in life. That's why we don't elect 22 year olds for president.

Here we go again, as soon as someone starts criticizing Michelle and O, they "hate" them.  I was so sick of reading about Romney's tree remark (who cares?), and about "Sanitarium" I thought I'd throw a little anti-O's rhetoric out there.  Predictable response.