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And what about the inside trading by MOC and their staff (Stock Act). I heard that  hearings got to scheduled, floor debate, and the effective date to be after election. Bipartison oppositions?evileye



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our politicians will never give up control of their funding and the ability to bribe their constituents.

The biggest bribe, the biggest vote buying scheme, of all: Entitlements.




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Without the tax code to dick with, nobody but the single-issue voters would care congress was even in session.

The bright side to the SS tax holiday might be that they're bankrupting it even quicker. When it's crippled to the point of being clinically dead, maybe they'll get around to an actual reformation of it.



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Sure would be easy to take care of all that with a flat tax. At whatever rate. But our politicians will never give up control of their funding and the ability to bribe their constituents.


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Perhaps this is a start:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Taxpayer,

Americans are facing tough times. Millions are still out of work. Wages remain stagnant, while

health care costs, tuition, and other household cost continue to rise. Many homeowners owe

more for their houses than they are worth.

With families across the country struggling to make ends meet during these economically trying

times, many are left with few options so they are turning to the government – some very

reluctantly – for assistance. The government safety net has been cast far and wide, with almost

half of all American households now receiving some form of government assistance.

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But most

taxpayers will be asking why when they learn who is receiving what.

From tax write-offs for gambling losses, vacation homes, and luxury yachts to subsidies for their

ranches and estates, the government is subsidizing the lifestyles of the rich and famous. Multimillionaires

are even receiving government checks for not working. This welfare for the well-off

– costing billions of dollars a year – is being paid for with the taxes of the less fortunate, many

who are working two jobs just to make ends meet, and IOUs to be paid off by future

generations.

This is not an accidental loophole in the law. To the contrary, this reverse Robin Hood style of

wealth redistribution is an intentional effort to get all Americans bought into a system where

everyone appears to benefit.

“Everybody can have a free lunch,” explains Howard Leikert, supervisor of school nutrition

programs for the Michigan Department of Education,

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where a new federal program is

providing all students, regardless of their families’ incomes, free school meals in select areas.

But not everyone

can

have a free lunch. Ultimately someone must pay for each of the lunches

being given away. Furthermore, not everyone

needs

a free lunch. The real result of serving

everyone a piece of the pie is less is leftover for those truly in need.

Some economists argue “if we think that the rich are getting too much of the economic pie, then

they should be taxed more.”

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This is no different than taking a dollar from one pocket and

putting it into another in the same pair of pants.

We should never demonize those who are successful. Nor should we pamper them with

unnecessary welfare to create an appearance everyone is benefiting from federal programs.

Even in these difficult times, the United States remains a land of opportunity and not everyone is

in need of government hand outs. The income of the wealthiest one percent of Americans has

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Brian Faler, More Americans Receive Government Benefits

, Bloomberg, October 28, 2011;

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-28/americans-hooked-on-government-as-record-number-getbenefits.

html

 

 

.

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Lynn Moore, Under new federal program, all Muskegon Heights students get free meals

, The Muskegon Chronicle, September

30, 2011;

http://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/index.ssf/2011/09/all_muskegon_heights_students.html

 

 

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Dean Baker and Mark Weisbrot, Social Security: The Phony Crisis

, University Of Chicago Press, 2000.

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risen dramatically over the last decade. Yet, the federal government lavishes these millionaires

with billions of dollars in giveaways and tax breaks.

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The government’s social safety net, which has long existed to catch those who are down and

help them get back up, is now being used as a hammock by some millionaires, some who are

paying less taxes than average middle class families. Comprehensive information on the full

range of government benefits enjoyed by millionaires has never been collected previously.

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This

report provides the first such compilation. What it reveals is sheer Washington stupidity with

government policies pampering the wealthy costing taxpayers billions of dollars every year.

These billions of dollars for millionaires include $74 million of unemployment checks,

$316

million in farm subsidies

, $89 million for preservation of ranches and estates, $9 billion of

retirement checks, $75.6 million in residential energy tax credits, and $7.5 million to compensate

for damages caused by emergencies to property that should have been insured. All and all, over

$9.5 billion

in government benefits have been paid to millionaires since 2003. Millionaires also

borrowed

$16 million

in government backed education loans to attend college.

On average, each year, this report found that millionaires enjoy benefits from tax giveaways and

federal grant programs totaling

$30 billion

. As a result, almost 1,500 millionaires paid no federal

income tax in 2009.

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Fleecing the taxpayer while contributing nothing is not the American way.

Americans are generous and do not want to see their fellow citizens go without basic

necessities. Likewise, we expect everyone to contribute and to demonstrate personal

responsibility. Government policies intended to mainstream wealth redistribution are

undermining these principles. The tragic irony is the wealth in these cases is trickling up rather

than down the economic ladder. The cost of this largess will thus be shared by those struggling

today and the next generation who will inherit $15 trillion of debt that threatens the future of

the American Dream. These consequences are the results of shortsighted spending and tax

policies like those outlined in this report that should be eliminated.

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Sincerely,

Tom A. Coburn, M.D.

U.S. Senator

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For purposes of this report, unless otherwise noted, “millionaire” is defined as an individual reporting an annual

adjusted gross income (“AGI”) of $1 million or more. AGI is generally defined as an individual’s taxable income after

any allowance for personal exemptions or itemized deductions.

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For more information on the methodology used for this report, see

Section XII.

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Los Angeles Times, IRS: Nearly 1,500 Millionaires Paid no Federal Income in 2009

, August 8, 2011,

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2011/08/nearly-1500-millionaires-paid-no-taxes-in-2009-says-irs.htm

 

 

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While this report focuses on benefits paid to individuals with an AGI of $1 million, for some of the programs

discussed, the appropriate AGI level to reduce or eliminate the benefit may be lower. This is a policy question that

Congress should address.



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I agree. They should do something else. Anything else.

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payroll taxes should go back to higher rates. SS is already broke.

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I assume Rs tried this because they thought Ds have ownership of the economy and they could pin a tax hike on them into the election year.

Then they figured out the media coverage of them opposing it was too much.

They could have been smarter about it- tie extension of it to something else unacceptable to Ds like permanent income tax rate cuts- then it either fails or makes Ds look bad opposing that.



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I sure hope the payroll tax returns to his normal level. It was intended to be the primary source of funding for social security. Cutting the payroll tax without cutting social security benefits just means more debts put on our children. Shame on the republicans, democrats, and the Pres.

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1% can make the other 99% happy.

That's dreaming.

The OWS mentality will never be happy. No matter how much wealth is redistributed they will always want more. More more more.

If we could one day somehow magically spread all the money in the world evenly among all the people of the world, the very next day there would be rich people and poor people. It's human nature, and there's nothing anybody, or any government, can do to stop it.

So even if that magic day happened, within a very short time the OWS mentality would be right back at its victimhood screamings.





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did the R's cave to the 99er's when they agree to the continue the payroll tax cut and raising debt? Are they going to raise taxes to the 1er's to keep revenue neutral. Just think, 1% can make the other 99% happy. That's leverage  evileye



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