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Date: Oct 30, 2011
RE: Gov Moonbeam Brown-CA Pension Idea
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Sometimes pension reform is really about passing the buck on your responsibility as Governor. You need to remember if there were not 17 years of missed payments the State would not be in this position and while having a $3.3 billion payment is significant what would it have been if the State had met its obligation for all of those 17 years? It would have been significantly less.
This is from NJ.com.

The state’s pension funds were in desperate shape and needed to be fixed, and the historic deal cut by Gov. Chris Christie and the Democratic Legislature has given the state some breathing room. Temporarily.

For pulling the funds from the brink and for courageously addressing the state’s thorniest issue — politically and fiscally — they should be given credit. They have lessened the pain.

But get the Advil ready, because we’re still in for a wallop.

The unfunded liability — the difference between how much the pension system has and what has been promised to current and future retirees — dropped from $53.9 billion to $35.4 billion after the law was signed, according to state bond documents.

But it’s about to swell again. And that’s because both parties agreed to delay the day or reckoning by phasing in full payments over a seven-year stretch. That is the underbelly of this reform; they rigged the payment schedule to soften the blow in the short term.

So this year, the state should be paying roughly $3.3 billion into the pension fund, but will chip in only $468 million. Shorting the fun like that will cause the pension gap to swell to $58 billion by 2019, according to the state’s estimates.

In other words, the hole will get deeper before the state starts climbing out.

In fiscal 2018, taxpayers will have to make a $5 billion payment — more than 10 times what it is paying this year and one-sixth of this year’s total budget. Unless a cash-filled meteor crashes in Trenton, taxes likely will have to increase to make the balloon payments.

But Christie has vowed not to raise taxes.

If he were to win a second term, Christie will get squeezed as the pension payments climb, but he will be out of office before the full weight of this hits. So he, too, will leave a huge bill for the next governor — a Jersey tradition.

Unfortunately, passing the buck has become a growing theme in his administration and the Legislature. The state has yet to find a way to fund the busted Transportation Trust Fund, and Christie refuses to raise one of the nation’s lowest gas taxes to provide a recurring source of revenue. Instead, he has used one-time gimmicks: killing the ARC Tunnel, swiping that money and raiding the Port Authority.

He wants to borrow $8 billion to fix the roads, and legislators, with all 120 seats in play this election, have ducked the gas tax issue and will let him have his way by approving $1.3 billion in borrowing as the first chunk. This infrastructure Ponzi scheme eventually will foist billions in maintenance and bond payments onto the next administration and beyond.

One pension expert calls it "generational theft" — sticking the next generation with your bills. That’s a fancy phrase, so we’ll call it what it is: Cleaning up some of the mess, but leaving a lot of dishes in the sink.



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in OR the State's negotiators were also state employees vs the union/nonunion employees. 

Did we see the 99 vs 1%er'sevileye



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longprime- I believe California has the strongest pension protections in the country. Current pension members have both current and future benefits protected in the State constitution.
I think the best that can be done is to change the formula for those newly hired.
I do wish and hope there is a way to stop the scams that go on with the politically connected throughout the country and how they manipulate the various pension systems for their own selfish greed.
soccerguy- if you think it is only union crooks that do what you posted you have not been paying attention.

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you guys seen this pension article? http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-10-22/news/ct-met-pensions-teacher-perk-20111023_1_state-teachers-pension-fund-teachers-union-public-pension

Two lobbyists with no prior teaching experience were allowed to count their years as union employees toward a state teacher pension once they served a single day of subbing in 2007, a Tribune/WGN-TV investigation has found.

The legislation enabled union officials to get into the state teachers pension fund and count their previous years as union employees after quickly obtaining teaching certificates and working in a classroom. They just had to do it before the bill was signed into law.

Preckwinkle's one day of subbing qualified him to become a participant in the state teachers pension fund, allowing him to pick up 16 years of previous union work and nearly five more years since he joined. He's 59, and at age 60 he'll be eligible for a state pension based on the four-highest consecutive years of his last 10 years of work.

His paycheck fluctuates as a union lobbyist, but pension records show his earnings in the last school year were at least $245,000. Based on his salary history so far, he could earn a pension of about $108,000 a year, more than double what the average teacher receives.

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It looks like a move in the right direction. Defined benefit plans are simply not workable for long term budgeting. Social Security has an increased retirement age so why not California.

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http://www.sacbee.com/2011/10/27/4010117/jerry-brown-to-propose-higher.html

New CA state workers may get a different pension program that incorporates defined contribution. 

comment: Brown should go further and cut existing pensioner's pension. Oregon's system changed to a tier 1 and tier 2 should change more. Current pension program is breaking the local's and state's budgets-ie more taxes on the horizon and lower services.evileye 



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