Political & Elections

soccerguy315 · Guru

RE: Kadhafi executed

Hindoo · Senior Member

I agree 100% ... no, make that 1,000% with Poetsheart. :)

longprime · Guru

it was a Libyian Civil War, we gave them help. What they do to each other is no business of ours. Remember USA did some questionable practices in the places we fight and our excuse was its a War. evileye

Poetsheart · Senior Member

Obama spends three weeks building an international coalition, approves the use of appropriate American force, and accomplishes the desired objective without the loss of an American life. Credit where credit is due.

Osama dead. Kadafi dead. Al-alwaki dead. Al Queda decimated.....if it had been George Bush, the right would have had him on Mount Rushmore by now.

You damned straight! They just don't want to admit that the Obama, whom they swore would be "weak on terrorism/terrorist" and a foreign policy "desaster", has been more effective and savvy than they ever want him to be. Country first my ass!

Cartera · Guru

Rubio, McCain and Graham

They're just disgusting. I don't expect anything more from Rubio. He is a tea party darling so has to spend a good bit of time on the fruit loop train. McCain and Graham know better though. There is no excuse for such silliness on their part.

jazzy · Senior Member

Okay, Clinton's glee was in poor taste.

But what about the utter loathsomeness of the partisanship behind the reactions of Republicans Rubio, McCain and Graham. They're thanking British and French troops but not the Americans involved. They're so reluctant to praise something that happens on Obama's watch, they can't even thank the service men or women involved?

Aptly nicknamed the "Thank America last" crowd.

Not to mention the shameless two-facedness of having criticized Obama not two months ago in August for not moving sooner to bring about the outcome that was just achieved......

Obama spends three weeks building an international coalition, approves the use of appropriate American force, and accomplishes the desired objective without the loss of an American life. Credit where credit is due.

Osama dead. Kadafi dead. Al-alwaki dead. Al Queda decimated.....if it had been George Bush, the right would have had him on Mount Rushmore by now.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_10/the_gops_thank_america_last_cr032939.php

soccerguy315 · Guru

Very unprofessional of Clinton. Embarrassing, honestly.

not that I don't agree with her... but someone in her position should not be acting like that.

Cartera · Guru

I thought her reaction was in poor taste.

Razorsharp · Guru

Did you see Hillary Clinton's reaction? I cannot believe she was laughing at Gaddaffi's death. If Dick Cheney had some something like that the media would have been all over him.

Wasn't Gaddaffi something like 80 year old?

-- Edited by Razorsharp on Tuesday 25th of October 2011 01:19:23 PM

SamuraiLandshark · Guru

I only watched a bit of that. It was gruesome.

A nice clean shot to the head would have been much more merciful. So would have waterboarding. Or anything in Abu Ghirab.

These rebels enacted their slow revenge.

This one looks like a war crime, to me.

http://rt.com/news/gaddafi-execution-images-broadcast-375/

Bad times ahead for Libya. And the world.

Hindoo · Senior Member

Well, you're right. Obama should take some credit/blame for Gadhafi's death. But, Bush ran the same risk in chasing down Sadam Hussein. (Only, he DID put soldiers on the ground--and we lost thousands of them.) ... Who the people put in charge to run their country is their choice. As I said before, any one of them could install "Death To America" leaders, because that's the way they roll. "Democracy" means different things to different cultures.

Razorsharp · Guru

A frame by frame analysis of this exclusive GlobalPost video clearly shows the rebel trying to insert some kind of stick or knife into Gaddafi's rear end.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20124758-503543/globalpost-qaddafi-apparently-sodomized-after-capture/">http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20124758-503543/globalpost-qaddafi-apparently-sodomized-after-capture/

A pretty sick rebel, if you ask me.

Razorsharp · Guru

Obama spent a billion dollars providing air support with Nato to kill Gaddaffi and his troops. Without that support, the rebels would have gotten their butts kicked.

Obama has claimed partial credit for the change in Libya.

"But on Thursday, within hours of the confirmation of Gaddafi’s death, Obama said took ownership: “We’ve taken out al Qaeda leaders... And now, working in Libya with friends and allies, we’ve demonstrated what collective action can achieve in the 21st century.” And the last was achieved without putting a single US soldier on the ground."

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/Americas/Libya-success-Obama-claims-partial-credit/Article1-760091.aspx

Hindoo · Senior Member

How did OBAMA replace a dictator with the Taliban? Pleeeeze. From everything I've read and heard, it's the Libyan rebels who are in the process of replacing a dictator with ... who the hell knows what? As far as I'm concerned, that's the danger with all of these countries participating in the Arab Spring (summer and fall)--any or all of them are capable of turning around and handing over true power to the Death To America radical mullahs.

Razorsharp · Guru

Jordan still has a King and the King was educated in the West. Thus, you get a moderate society. Get rid of the King and the people of Jordan would revert to their native state of religious intolerance called Islam.

Sharia law is by definition extremism. Punishment for hadd offenses include flogging, stoning, amputation, exile, or execution. Sharia law is extreme. The question is whether muslims actually apply the extreme punishments available under Sharia law but Sharia law itself is nothing short of a barbaric code.

Cartera · Guru

All Islamic law is Sharia law. Sharia, by defintiion, is not extremist. There are moderate, traditional and fundamental versions of Sharia law. It is expected, and hoped of course, that Libya will fall under the moderate version, as Jordan does.

The party that just won in Tunisia is considered to be a moderate Islamist party. It will use Sharia law but promises to moderate it with regard to women's rights and to use other democratic principles.

Razorsharp · Guru

The news report I read mentioned Sharia law. Sharia law is where you get to cut off the hands of people who steal, woman are treated like property, and there is no separation of church and state because religious leaders are the state. The Taliban were trying to create the perfect islamic state. If Obama was willing to waste a billion dollars to get rid of Quadaffi, I sure hope he is willing to spent more than that to avoid ending up with another Iran.

Cartera · Guru

I just saw a news report on that. They will use Islamic based law, but that is far from the Taliban. Countries in which Islam is the majority religion look to Islam for at least a portion of its law. Jordan is an example. At this point, the experts believe the power will be with the moderate Islamists. The transitional council is saying that Libya is a moderate Muslim nation. There is no evidence there will be anything akin to the Taliban. Many in the US tend to equate Islamic with extremism but there are shades, just as there are in any religion. I don't think anyone really expected anything different. They have to use what they know and for decades there has been no law to speak of.

SamuraiLandshark · Guru

That would be...terrible.

Razorsharp · Guru

From what I am reading in news reports a new Islamic government will take over. It may be the case that Obama replaced a dictator with the Taliban.

pima · Guru

I found it interesting that in the end, he died the same as many of his citizens did when he as a leader took their lives...begging for mercy.

Guess he learned the meaning of IRONIC in the last few seconds of his life.

Read that today we released 37 BN to Libya. It will be interesting to see how quickly they become corrupt in their new govt. I wonder if they will remember the resentment they had against Khaddafi, or will they too get lured by greed?

Not saying Khaddafi was a good man, just saying it will now be the time to put up your words with actions.

Libya has always been one of those countries I can recall where I was when I heard something happening with them.

April 1986, I was walking on my college campus when the news broke that we bombed Libya.

December 1988, on my wedding day I asked for a special concession be prayed for the Pan Am victims...my Dad's friend was the pilot of that flight. To this day I wonder if Pan Am went under in part because of the bombing.

August 2009 when Britain made the biggest mistake to release Abdelbeset Ali Mohmed al Megrahi

Now this.

CelticClan07 · Senior Member

Hmmmm......the 3 am phone call is going to be Oslo asking for he NPP back. Drone-a-thons, air strikes, more troops in more countries, whacking of dictators and terrorists....PBO makes GWB look like a weakling.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/188949-obama-stands-tall-after-demise-of-gadhafi

soccerguy315 · Guru

heh... rebels captured Kadhafi, then they put a bullet in his head. With help from the US and France, of course.