yea... I think in that case the UK would just grab him, but your point is definitely a good one. IMO it comes down to the reality that since the US is who we are, we are capable of carrying out some actions and avoiding the theoretical repercussions (eg: violations of sovereignty) in some situations. We are happy to fire the missile in Pakistan or Yemen. But I'm pretty sure the same would not be true in Russia or China.
If GWB had been the president who got OBL and Alwlaqi, I think the reaction would have been about the same: praise from most elected officials regardless of party, general approval among the public, and an outpouring of concern and questions over its constitutionality from the same people who have done so in this case.
Bush would have come under fire, as Obama has, on the constitutionality question, but the difference would have been that Fox and the rest of Murdoch media would have crowed for days about it, making sure that the Republican administration got credit, their viewer/readers bathed in mental images of Bush being carried off the field on the shoulders of a grateful nation.
Of course, Obama isn't going to get that from Fox. The NY Post columnist managed to write a lengthy piece praising the elimination of Alw. and how crucial it was to the war against terrorism without once mentioning Obama, as though the CIC really had nothing to do with it. Something about that 'D' behind his name.
And, unfortunately for O, the so-called sycophantic left-leaning media probably spent as much or more time hand-wringing over the constitutional question than pointing out how successful this president has been at decimating Al-Quaeda.
Abso-freakin'-lutely!
Sidenote: Once again, the forum gremlins have mischievously left most of the quote from jazzy outside the box...
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We could have killed him anywhere in the world since the "war" on terrorism is global. Now England would probably not take too kindly to our dropping a drone bomb on one of our own in Piccadilly Square, but evidently, the Constitution does not preclude it.
Yep, and PBO would pull the trigger, just like he did in Yemen. However, I hope he'd excersise proper manners and call Gordon Brown and give him a 10 min heads up.
We could have killed him anywhere in the world since the "war" on terrorism is global. Now England would probably not take too kindly to our dropping a drone bomb on one of our own in Piccadilly Square, but evidently, the Constitution does not preclude it.
We are making sure of that. The entire world is a war zone in this made up "war" on terrorism that this lefty is not so happy President Obama bought in to. I believe these drone attacks will do more harm than good. We take out one terrorist but create how many in the process. In the eyes of the civilians in these countries, who are the terrorists?
Not sure where some of you got the idea that the same people who condemned GWB for waterboarding are cheering Alwlaqi's killing......the "D" next to the president's name has not changed the reaction according to what I read, particularly among those on the far Left.
(Probably won't highlight --- how do you do that?)
Glenn Greenwald of Salon has been condemning this use of executive power since Obama announced in 2010 that certain terrorists were on a hit list. He's raked Obama over the coals numerous times for failing to close Gitmo, maintaining the Patriot Act.
If GWB had been the president who got OBL and Alwlaqi, I think the reaction would have been about the same: praise from most elected officials regardless of party, general approval among the public, and an outpouring of concern and questions over its constitutionality from the same people who have done so in this case.
Bush would have come under fire, as Obama has, on the constitutionality question, but the difference would have been that Fox and the rest of Murdoch media would have crowed for days about it, making sure that the Republican administration got credit, their viewer/readers bathed in mental images of Bush being carried off the field on the shoulders of a grateful nation.
Of course, Obama isn't going to get that from Fox. The NY Post columnist managed to write a lengthy piece praising the elimination of Alw. and how crucial it was to the war against terrorism without once mentioning Obama, as though the CIC really had nothing to do with it. Something about that 'D' behind his name.
And, unfortunately for O, the so-called sycophantic left-leaning media probably spent as much or more time hand-wringing over the constitutional question than pointing out how successful this president has been at decimating Al-Quaeda.
I admit that I temporarily forgot that this happened in Yemen; that said, how many would still be squawking if it had happened in a war zone? I'm not sure how many constitutional rights an American has while on foreign soil and while acting in presumably treasonist ways. Obviously, if he'd been on US soil, the hit could not have been ordered. There must be some fine line of distinction.
"If you want to compare the US to Yemen, knock yourself out"
I was merely responding to your comparative statement of, "" Will we allow other countries to summarily execute their citizens on our soil, if those countries determine they are a threat?"
It appears that our actions were taken with the approval and assistance of Yemen. Perhaps they didn't appreciate their country being Al Quaeda central.
" Will we allow other countries to summarily execute their citizens on our soil, if those countries determine they are a threat? What if a few of our citizens are collageral damage?"
I'd suspect that if other countries had figured out that the head of a major terrorist organization that targets and assassinates innocents worldwide was in the US, we'd be on the spot helping them. Collateral damage or not. Doubt they'd be going back to their country of birth for a trial. Apparently the Yemenis agreed with me, seeing as, "The Yemenis, after questioning a suspect, passed on information about Awlaki’s general whereabouts." Have you heard them loudly complaining about his demise?
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Funny, what a 'D' behind the presidents name can do to the hard-core Left.
Very true. My lefty in-laws who railed against everything Bush did in regards to fighting the war on terrorism, seem to have no problem with whatever Obama does. They all voted in lock-step for Obama because they were oh-so-certain that he would get the US out of the middle east within a few months. Now, they're unusually silent on the matter when it comes up. :rolleyes:
I'm not sure that in a war zone in a foreign country that Americans who are helping the enemy are typically given due process. I imagine during WWII or whenever, people like this were considered treasonists and were executed on site.
-- Edited by ItalianMomma on Saturday 1st of October 2011 06:46:16 PM
I'm not comfortable executing American citizens without due process. I believe it is unconstitutional. Will we allow other countries to summarily execute their citizens on our soil, if those countries determine they are a threat? What if a few of our citizens are collageral damage?
I have no problem for these calls to kill terrorists. Glad PBO has kept us safe from these whackjobs. Like you SLS, the fact that it's now acceptable by the ones screaming for GWB to be in jail, is perplexing. Funny, what a 'D' behind the presidents name can do to the hard-core Left.
I think the Patriot Act allows it. What does it matter. We lost a lot of freedoms after 911, especially if you are one to be a good citizen. Hairybus Corporation is suspended.
I am not opposed to taking out these particular ones, but it is funny to see how the climate has changed. Bush was condemned by many a war criminal for having terrorists water boarded in his administration...