I am watching the GOP Debate on foxnews and youtube. Herman Cain has a 9/9/9 plan which is a 9 percent corporate tax, 9 percent flat tax, and 9 percent national sales tax. I love this guy. That is exactly what our country needs to provide sufficient revenue and allow the economy to grow.
I get your perpective, but I still disagree with the idea that the Tea Party was "rooted in racism". I would love to hear some facts that actually prove this hypothesis, besides anecdotes that some nutty racists are in the party. (There are plenty of nuts in every party, thank you very much.)
I believe the movement is rooted in racism and I believe racism was used to rally many who had very little interest in politcs otherwise.
The very definition of "rooted" is established or caused.
You are suggesting something based on opinion as opposed to facts.
There may be racists in any group, but that doesn't mean a group was established because they have racist views or that their main platform espoused racist views.
Which part of the message of fiscal responsibility is racist?
I guess we can go review all kinds of non-profit groups, political and grass-roots organizations and try to second guess their basis for establishing their group, based on factors that may not seem apparent to most.
I believe that many in the Democratic party and those leaning left who taken umbrage to the idea that Planned Parenthood is all about killing unborn children. Although, that is one service that is provided on a daily basis. Their mission is actually about providing reproductive care to women, not only abortions. Why did they start their organization? Were they anti-family? It's a ludicrous idea, and yet, it is similar to suggesting that the Tea Party was rooted in racism.
Going back to Samurai's remark about there are people who voted for Obama because he is black. You hear it all the time on talk radio. However, what is interesting is these are the same people who say other's didn't because he is black, and they refuse to accept any other idea...i.e. Joe the Plumber share the wealth comment, the thin resume he had as a candidate, his connection to Rev Wright, ACORN, etc.
If a white person said I voted for McCain because he is white, they would have to move because nobody in the country would stand for it, and they would be labeled a racist, rightly so.
However, we as a society would never say that to a black person, but in essence that are racists too.
I like Herman Cain, but I don't believe he is a viable candidate. I don't care for Perry or Bachman at all. I fear they will get the nom. I wish Huntsman would be stronger, because I do believe he has the "real" experience, but he just can't seem to get his footing. That leaves me with one left...Romney.
Yes, Newt is smart, but he has way too much baggage to get passed the independents. Santorum is like wallpaper. Ron Paul has great ideas, but he is also a candidate that I can't see getting the middle of the road voters. He is like the new "Pat Buchanan", always running and never getting anywhere.
__________________
Raising a teenager is like nailing Jello to a tree
Herman Cain is certainly NOT racist. He is a business man first and foremost. He is a problem-solver and he is an honorable man. The remark he made about not hiring muslims was an honest reaction to very real dangers that exist.
I support Herman Cain. I am NOT racist, nor am I a nut or kook or whatever it was you said.
I truly believe that Herman Cain's candidacy frightens many democrats because they know that one big reason that many people voted for Obama in SPITE of his policies, will be neutralized.
If you compare christianity and Islam you will see that Christianity after the reformation is a clearly tolerant religion. It is one thing to say I am proud of my religion and believe it is the best (my team is the best) and saying my religion is the only religion and people not of my religion should be forced to convert or die (your team should not exist). Christianity is the former, Islam is the latter.
I am sure you can find idiots within Christianity who think their religion is the only true religion, but the consequences to the non-believers is going to hell. These Christians are a small minority of Christians.
A vast majority of muslims believe their religion is the only religion and that the consequences to non-believers should be death.
I have no problem with nutty christians because they cannot hurt me. I have a real problem with nutty muslins because there are so many of them and they believe their god wants them to hurt me and anyone one else who does not follow their polygamous pedophile prophet.
I honestly cannot figure out why so many democrats bash christians left and right and get angry and demand their silence, while at the same time trying to guard the "rights" of muslims whose daily lives consist of overt sanctioned discrimination against women and racist bigotry towards Jews. Christians openly tolerate Jews; Muslims openly condemn them and call for their deaths.
If you want to know what it would be like for a woman to live as a true muslim, then look at the Taliban. Their set up their system with the sole goal of creating the perfect religious state.
If Tea Party folks don't like blacks, than why is Cain being supported in droves by them?
Several reasons -
They're not all racists. Some are just nuts - like Cain.
Some hate Muslims more than they do blacks and Cain is the number 1 Muslim hater.
Cain will do more as a black man to set back the rights of minorities than any of the other candidates. He is no stranger to racist rhetoric and uses it with aplomb.
I have never said the majority of Tea Partiers are racist. I believe the movement is rooted in racism and I believe racism was used to rally many who had very little interest in politcs otherwise.
I see nothing in the clip that says they jettisoned the racists. I heard that they jettisoned the signs.
The Tea Party movement began with a comment from a CNBC personality named Rick Santelli who was pissed off at seeing one more bail out for adults who should be responsible for their own actions and suffer the consequences and not expect the government to bail them out. It had nothing to do with race or racism. It is a true grass movement. Given that most democrats see every issue from the eyeglasses of race, they perceived an attacked on their Free lunch President as an attack on his race. The real racists are the democrats who unfairly labled a party tired of handouts as racists.
It may be naive to think that color of skin has nothing to do with elections.
However, we know that for all of the voters out there, many voted FOR Obama BECAUSE of the color of his skin. Black, white, brown...many folks wanted to break up the racial divide that seems to loom, and voted because he was black.
Countless others voted because they are black. Or brown. Or a minority.
Would that also be because they are racist?
I have to say I find it hugely disappointing that the race card is still being drawn, with the main presumption that it's always racism with white folks bashing on the brown folks.
MLK wouldn't be thrilled, either.
Every time we continue to believe that a reason to believe that the MAIN reason why we don't like a politician is because we are color phobic is just one more day away from becoming a color blind America or society.
Are there some that will not like people that are different than themselves? Sure.
I just don't see as much as the racist attitudes that I keep hearing from the media. Maybe it's where I live. I know many who are anti-Obama's policies who could care less whether he is Black, White, Latino or Asian. They simply aren't fans of his policies.
If Tea Party folks don't like blacks, than why is Cain being supported in droves by them?
-- Edited by SamuraiLandshark on Tuesday 13th of September 2011 10:56:17 AM
like you, who are not able whatsoever to see past color
You can spend lots of time talking about all the things you know, but you don't know me well enough to make that statement. I know too many people too well who see nothing but color when they see President Obama and his family. They feel an affinity with the Tea Party for that reason and there is no way they will support Herman Cain.
I've explained in other posts why I think race plays a role in the Tea Party movement. I've also said, more than once, that I don't think the majority of Tea Partiers are racist. I am one of the disillusioned base, but not disillusioned enough to ever want a Republican to choose the next Supreme Court justice. I don't understand how any woman or person with daughters could.
So these people are willing to make signs, attend rallies, call their Congressmen, etc. etc. in order to make sure that an African-American does not occupy the White House for another four years?
Yes, there are people willing to do this and much more to ensure that an African American is not in the white house. It is very naive to think otherwise.
Saw a "Herman Cain for President" bumper sticker here in Kansas the other day....on a white driver's pick-up truck no less!
The above quote is exactly what I'm talking about.
Why would someone say such a thing as this, why would someone even think such a thing as this, unless their fundamental outlook was that whites and/or pickup truck drivers are racist?
This is today's "conventional wisdom." It's disgusting.
-- Edited by winchester on Tuesday 13th of September 2011 04:41:21 AM
__________________
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.” – Mark Twain
Hard to explain those predjudiced white people supporting Herman Cain, because you know they've got to be racist. There's always a, "yes, but...." blah, blah explanation about how they're still predjudiced haters.
So these people are willing to make signs, attend rallies, call their Congressmen, etc. etc. in order to make sure that an African-American does not occupy the White House for another four years? Really? And many of these same people support Herman Cain? Odd, isn't it?
Nothing to do with the Affordable Health Care for America Act, or the unemployment numbers, or Michelle's insistent annoying admonitions to eat our fruits and vegetables? Really? The majority of Americans voted for the man, and now they suddenly don't like his skin color? He's lost support even among his base, in case you haven't noticed.
Obama was a blank slate when he was elected...nothing but promises of hope and change. You can fool some of the people some of the time....
I'm sure no one will ever change your mind, but knowing there are many out there like you, who are not able whatsoever to see past color, is really disturbing to me.
I have never said the majority of Tea Partiers are racist. I believe the movement is rooted in racism and I believe racism was used to rally many who had very little interest in politcs otherwise.
I see nothing in the clip that says they jettisoned the racists. I heard that they jettisoned the signs.
Thanks for the citation, Cartera. There are haters all over. At the beginning of the interview, Cain made it clear that he has not, ever, personally, as an African-American, experienced racism among the people has talked to about his conservative beliefs. He said that the "majority" of tea party members do not have racist beliefs.
I should think that the fact that the tea party jettisoned racists (or people of the left posing as racists) from their movement is a good thing? No?
But if you wish to perceive that this is all a "cover" for a racist movement, that's your prerogative.
P.S. He probably planted all those white faces behind him in the clip of him speaking to a Republican audience, right?
-- Edited by hope on Monday 12th of September 2011 08:18:15 PM
-- Edited by hope on Monday 12th of September 2011 08:19:13 PM
-- Edited by hope on Monday 12th of September 2011 08:21:35 PM
Could we have a citation for Cain's comment, Cartera?
Saw a "Herman Cain for President" bumper sticker here in Kansas the other day....on a white driver's pick-up truck no less! Whatever is some people's stereotypical world coming to?
You label the whole Tea Party as racists just because Democratic infiltrators carry signs with racists messages? That's not fair at all. The Tea Party is a fiscal responsibility party. They try to stay away from social issues such as racial preference like affirmative action. Wanting a smaller government, lower taxes, and fiscal responsibility is a pretty good view as far as I am concerned. Nothing racists about that.
I find that interview interesting too. Herman Cain says that the reason the Tea Partiers aren't carrying racist signs now is because the leaders asked them to "cease and desist." He said, "they don't do that stuff any more." So, the racists are still there. They just leave at home the signs that show President Obama wearing a loin cloth with a bone through his nose. It is much more clear now.
-- Edited by Cartera on Monday 12th of September 2011 05:38:13 PM
It was odd, here is the anchor saying the Tea Party are racists, Herman Cain saying they aren't, and than cutting to a commercial for the debate labeled Tea Party Republican Debate, which will include all Republican candidates.
I am still not sure how calling Tea Party supporters racists on the night you are suppose to hold a non-bias debate is not illustrating your organization is biased and these questions will be slanted in a negative way.
__________________
Raising a teenager is like nailing Jello to a tree
