On the lamb for 15 years. Found June 22 in SCal where he's been living openly for many years. #2 on FBI top 10 (O. bin Laden was #1), Double agent to FBI and to Boston's crime organization. Boston and Mass Police was corruptable. Brother was Mass top legislator.
I think the point is that we did not have permission for the bin Laden raid.
If we had asked, he would have been "tipped off".
How do you think he evaded capture for a decade? Casual assistance from poorly trained semi-amateurs or perversion of state resources via money, political influence, and appeals to religious fanaticism?
Alternatively, there were reports from a former Bush administration official that we did indeed have permission to target any of the top 3 AQ leaders if we knew where they were in Pakistan, and that after it happened, Pakistan would strongly protest, like they did. However, I think they have gone beyond the strongly protesting stage
How do you think he evaded capture for a decade? Casual assistance from poorly trained semi-amateurs or perversion of state resources via money, political influence, and appeals to religious fanaticism?"
I caught a show on cable about BigFoot (relations?) The expert guesses several thousand BigFooters globally. Also a vast underground network exists to protect these rare and elusive creatures.
My guess is that bL, disguised himself as a Bigfooter (not all that hard given his appearance) and then relied on that secret Bigfoot organization to hide his whereabouts. We probably got Bigfoot conspirators right here in the USA.
-- Edited by longprime on Wednesday 22nd of June 2011 12:59:37 PM
I think the point is that we did not have permission for the bin Laden raid.
If we had asked, he would have been "tipped off".
How do you think he evaded capture for a decade? Casual assistance from poorly trained semi-amateurs or perversion of state resources via money, political influence, and appeals to religious fanaticism?
W, and his advisors said to the Taliban, "Either you are with us or agin us." Looking back on history, would history be any different if the Taliban said, they are with us in seeking out bin Laden?
Did W or Obama make the same ultimatum to P? Would it have made a difference?
So today June 20, we discover that US/Afghan Governments have engaged in "low level talks". Have we seen this picture before? And maybe we will hear that one of the R's or TP's will have a secret plan to end, the bin Laden War?
Your OP questions whether P is on USA side in terrorism, specifically towards bL.
I'm pointing out that USA essentially performed a gross Act of War on Pakistan. Pakistan can do what ever it wants with its citizens when it suspects such an act against its territory and sovereignty.
The ultimate question is whether we should continue to be Afghanistan, and if so, what will be P's role. The US Military and Foreign expects believe that P has a vital role to play, and may be more so than A.
-- Edited by longprime on Monday 20th of June 2011 12:55:25 PM
Were the Pakistani arrested, charged, brought in for questioning or taken in to be enrolled in the witness-protection-program? These people are now targets for the Taliban.
^ You can give any information you want about your neighbor to whom ever you wish. You would not be a neighbor that I would want to be around.
My curiousity is the cancelling of Hef's and Chrysal's wedding. Who do you know that I can ask?
-- Edited by longprime on Friday 17th of June 2011 11:21:42 PM
I don't know if P's Government knew of bL's where abouts. Doesn't really matter.
The point is whether a citizen or where a citizen was renting a building illegally or as was giving information to a unregistered alien or to an obvious foreigner. We are walking a fine line here and the Patriot Act could find that we are all suspicious of actions and inactions.
Longprime: Pakistan's actions show that they are unhappy that the US got Osama. I don't think there is really another way to look at them. Pakistan is accepting US aid (military and other) while at the same time actively working to undermine US efforts in the region. They are our ally out of necessity. But with the death of Osama, their position has weakened significantly, at least in the eyes of the American people and those on the Hill, regardless of the fact that Al Qaeda will still be active.
I would like to think if Osama was hiding in the US, that our government would support our citizens offering information on his whereabouts.
And yes, I have an excellent IR degree. I even went to my classes almost all of the time.
-- Edited by soccerguy315 on Thursday 16th of June 2011 08:04:47 PM
"I don't know what Pakistani Law is, but if it happened in US, I am 100% sure that you would say that any Citizen that gave information to a non-registered foreign agent borders on treason-hangable"
You are telling us that you think if a US citizen gave information to someone about where a foreign mass murderer was hiding in the US, that would be treason-hangable?
What kind of world do you live in? That it would be treason, punishable by death, to reveal the whereabouts of a foreign terrorist (whom our country claimed to be hunting for, not protecting) to anyone?
I probably gave top secret advice as to where the best local restaurants are to a foreign agent or two, in my lifetime. Which is probably information more worth keeping secret, than to where one of the biggest murders in current history was.
I don't know what Pakistani Law is, but if it happened in US, I am 100% sure that you would say that any Citizen that gave information to a non-registered foreign agent borders on treason-hangable.
Pakistan has arrested multiple people who were important in the US operation to kill Osama. This is ridiculous. Pakistan needs some tough love, aka the purse strings need to be brought back in.
