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Tom1944 wrote:

Politicians are fools when it comes to tax policy. There are plenty of low tax States that have budget problems and unemployment rates that are just as high as the high tax States.



Yes.  And don't think I actually buy it when the repbulicans act as if they don't want to spend our money just as much as the democrats do.  the current big claim to fame is cutting 60 billion from the budget, which is a lot like saying, well I only had most of the cake, but I left a couple of bites on the plate, therefore I want less of the cake than YOU DO.  They are very, very close to democrats in this.

As for Newt Gingrich, John, it's not even just that he cheated on his wives, it's that he lead the charge against Clinton for cheating while he himself was cheating.  Unfortunately, it seems as if the only people we can get to run for office in this country, or who can make it through a primary to run for office in this country, are awful. 

 



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Here is a good editorial from the NY times on Newt:

Op-Ed Columnist
Eye of the NewtBy GAIL COLLINS
Published: March 11, 2011

The presidential race is barely under way, but already we have had our first Big Thought. I am speaking, of course, of Newt Gingrich’s suggestion that he was driven into serial adultery by hard work and patriotism.


“There’s no question that at times in my life, partially driven by how passionately I felt about this country, that I worked far too hard and that things happened in my life that were not appropriate,” he told an interviewer on the Christian Broadcasting Network.

You can imagine how much discussion this sparked. “Will ‘feeling passionate about this country’ become the new ‘hiking the Appalachian Trail’? ” asked Bruce Handy of Vanity Fair.

Really, the concept explains quite a bit. New York’s former governor, Eliot Spitzer, worked a lot. And right now New York City is reeling over the indictment of a powerful state senator, who turns out to have had a secret life in a waterside mansion that he shared with two male gynecologists and their mother. We are still sorting out the details, but I can tell you that this guy used to be the chairman of the Finance Committee. You can only sit through so many hearings on tax policy before the call of the wild starts ringing in your ears.

Also, whenever I hear “former Mayor Rudy Giuliani” I think of patriotism and round-the-clock dedication to the job. Also, about the time he called a press conference to announce that he and his wife were separating and the wife, who hadn’t heard, started telling reporters about an affair she believed Rudy had had with a female staffer.

Gingrich is asked about his personal life more often than most politicians. If you’re on your third wife, cheated perpetually on the first two, and are running for the Republican presidential nomination as a social conservative, these things come up.

The most famous story about Gingrich’s failed marriages is about his first wife, Jackie, who had been Newt’s high school math teacher before he appeared at her door and suggested a new equation. Jackie was recovering from surgery for uterine cancer when her husband walked in and started talking about the terms of a divorce.

She is not to be confused with the second wife, Marianne, who was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis and was visiting her mother when her husband called to tell her there was another woman.

Anyway, you can see how the topic of Gingrich’s home life would come up. Generally, he doesn’t seem all that thrilled by the invitation to explain himself. But he was very chatty on the Christian Broadcasting Network. Perhaps this was because of the way the interviewer, David Brody, phrased his question.

“Talk about a forgiving God?” he asked.

Newt was quite forthcoming about both God’s readiness to forgive him and the much, much better lifestyle he has embraced now that he’s found true love with Wife No. 3, converted to Catholicism and “learned an immense amount.”

People, can we all agree now that men who spend their early and middle ages betraying women right and left are not allowed to get credit for discovering the joys of monogamy at about the same time that they receive their first Social Security check?

Of course, Gingrich is being a better husband this time around. He’s 67! By then, most men have not just finished sowing their wild oats. The oats have been harvested, ground up, reprocessed and turned into soggy cornflakes.

“In general, in men and women, the sexual hormones decrease as you age. It’s a lot of work, dating and managing multiple partners,” says Rose Hartzell, a therapist at the San Diego Sexual Medicine Center.

God forgives you at any age, but voters should only reward reformations that occur before the miscreant receives his first copy of the AARP bulletin.

Gingrich offered up his analysis of the cause of his sexual indiscretions when he appeared with other presidential hopefuls at an event in Iowa sponsored by the Faith and Freedom Coalition. This is a group established by the former Christian Coalition leader Ralph Reed, who is recovering from a fall from grace himself. Reed’s involved secretly working with the disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff to block a ban on Internet gambling. Which I do not believe is the sort of thing you can blame on a heavy schedule and the flag.

In his public life, Gingrich’s rhetoric is less forgiving than apocalyptic. His speech in Iowa was laced with attacks on Democrats (“secular socialists”) and a call for “a political change so deep and so profound that nothing we have seen in our lifetime is comparable.” He has called Barack Obama “authentically dishonest,” and “a person who is fundamentally out of touch with how the world works, who happened to have played a wonderful con, as a result of which he is now president.”

If only Obama had committed adultery instead of health care reform, I’m sure they’d be getting along a lot better.



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Politicians are fools when it comes to tax policy. There are plenty of low tax States that have budget problems and unemployment rates that are just as high as the high tax States.

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The reality is that our country is pursuing an increasingly unfriendly business policy and this is not going to bring businesses here.

The truth is that one of the reasons NJ suffers is because it is very unfriendly to businesses and wealthy indivicuals, tax-wise.

The US is, as well.  Even NYC has lost ownership of one of the exchanges, for many of the same reasons.  Businesses fled to CT.  Businesses in Illinois are poised to flee to Indiana.  And what walker is doing in Wisco is using southern right to work states as his model to draw business back into his state.

When politicians continue to act as if tax policy does not effect jobs?  They are in trouble, the state, the country are in trouble.

If you want to change the jobs situation in the US, you have to penalize companies for shipping jobs overseas, and you have to tariff on foreign products....But, we pursue a policy of taxing within our country and not taxing outside of our country, and this is not how other countries deal with us.

I'm not sure exactly how to address this, but, as an example, think about this:  the U.S. citizens who were evacuated from Libya by ferry boat were charged for this.  OTOH, we spend billions "nation building" in other countries, and other countries feel free to "ask for a no fly zone" over Libya, assuming we will foot the bill.  We are fools, Tom.

In the meantime, any governor who continues to pursue unfriendly tax policy is going to be paying pensions by taxing the people who work at McDonald's more, because that is going to be his entire population.

Here's a favorite of mine:  In Illinois, they are now considering taxing 401K and other retirement withdrawals, based on means testing, in order to cover the budget shortfall, which occurs because of pensions.  You do see why this might annoy some tax payers?  You do see how easy it is to move to a state without this plan when you are retired?  But, no, they think they can just tax people without repercussions, as the tax-payers among us steadily trickle south. 

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Amazon wants follow different rules than every other business. If you let Amazon have their way their are thousands of other companies that will not have to collect tax. For example B & N.com and any other internet site of a major retailer. You would lose billions in tax.

As per your Chrisitie quotes- just because he says it does not make it true, There are a significant number of falsehoods uttered by the governor. The Times had a story that listed several of them. For those of us that follow NJ politics there are many more. What the governor does not have is a decent opponent to challenge is false statements.

By the way I agree with the pov that the public sector can not be the only middle class. My point is what happens when the public sector workers are no longer middle class and the vast majority of private sector workers are still no better off. Whose fault will it be then?

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Right.  I understand, Tom, that they don't want to collect the sales tax.  But, ask yourself this....Is it better to have the income tax from the workers who were employed by those outlets in Illinois?  Or is it better to have nothing at all?

This is the kind of thinking which is driving this country into the ground.

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http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/03/gov_christie_says_nj_democrati.html

If your property taxes go up in August, don’t come see me — see Steve Sweeney and Sheila Oliver,” Christie said at a town-hall meeting in Hopatcong, referring to the Senate president and Assembly speaker. Both are Democrats whose party controls the Legislature.

Christie, 48, a first-term Republican, urged legislators in September to roll back a 9 percent benefit increase enacted in 2001, raise the minimum retirement age to 65 from 62, increase worker contributions and freeze cost-of-living raises to help reduce a $53.9 billion deficit in the state’s pension system. The governor said he doesn’t have a problem with public-union members’ protests over his pension proposals.

“That’s their right, and I’m okay with it,” Christie said at today’s gathering, his eighth town-hall meeting this year. “The real question now is not if we change the pension system, but how we change it. If we don’t, it will go belly up.”



-- Edited by poetgrl on Saturday 12th of March 2011 12:28:30 PM

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Amazon left your State because they are fighting nexus requirements that require them to collect sales tax just like any other retailer. The are doing the same in Texas and many other States.

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poetgrl- property taxes went up because he cut aid to schools and towns. The actual part of the budget for his operating cost actually increased. This 4% increase also does not include the rebates that he canceled that went to middle and lower income families to offset property taxes.

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But WHY is the property tax up? 

Because he is willing to move in the practical direction, that's what people see.

In Illinois, we have a governor who has raised income taxes and taxes on business, and just drove Amazon out of our state.  At some point in time, you have got to understand that people are sick and tired of paying more taxes for less services, or even equal services.

And yet, pay and pay, we do.  I think what people like about Christie is that he broke the taboo and talked about stuff that was unspeakable, before, which the rest of us are just jaw-droppingly stunned at, like the fact that public unions will never give a milimeter and will ask for your first born child in return. 

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Besides being entertaining what exactly has the Governor of NJ done for the middle class in NJ?

N.J. property taxes up 4.1% in '10
Hike is largest since 2007

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What R would want to run? Besides someone with a ego problem.
It's really all about the A. problem .
Take away the A and the R's go away.



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Run, Newt, Run!

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I don't think we have seen the whole field of contenders, yet.

We could have someone come out of left field for the GOP.  The Dems will stick with Obama - it would be unheard of for them to dump an incumbent.

I get what you are saying about men of action, poetgrl.  I tend to agree.


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My oldest is a Weasly.  Just ask her.  no

My youngest is more of a muggle.

I think Christie could beat Obama, because Obama's biggest weakness, regardless of political ideology, is that the guy doesn't DO anything.  Christie is the opposite.  I think everyone admires his common sense approach to leading.

The problem is governors have more power than presidents, relative to the job they are asked to do, and I think Christie would be so incredibly frustrated by the Federal rigamarole he would take a crowbar to the windows on Pensylvania Avenue.

I fear that Ryan and Obama might be a little too much of the same thing...just with diametrically opposed ideologies. 

The only one who can beat Obama is going to be someone who can point to a record of "action."  

I remember in grad school lit classes sometimes there was this discussion between the difference between men of letters and men of action.....(probably dates my time of attendance disbelief), and Obama is emphatically NOT a man of action.  He belonged on the supreme court, not in the executive.  JMO.

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One of the nicest compliments ever received was from one of my son's roommates, who said that he thought our family reminded him of the Weaselly's.

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Me too. Especially Momma Weasley.

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I am actually a big fan of the Weaselly's.  :)

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"What do you mean, weasely?"

Maybe she means that he has the same hair color as a weasel? Or a thinnish face, like a weasel? Or reminds her of one of the Weasleys? Otherwise, you'd have to be stretching hard for that one.

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Gingrich is entertaining, at least. Got to love his excuse for cheating on two wives: patriotism. He was so patriotic, he cheated. Or at least that's his story and he's sticking to it.



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What do you mean, weasely?

He may not run or if he does, win, but I am interested in what you mean, because I don't see what you see.


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Paul Ryan is too weasely.  Haley Barbour is too "good ole boy."  He would never win.
Actually none of these guys would win against Obama, except maybe Romney might have a chance. 

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I like Ryan's wonkishness but I don't think he's tough enough to take everything that the left will hit him with.  I think Chris Christie could take the left on, but I believe him when he says he's not going to run.   I am not wild about Romney (please don't tell my son!) and I don't think he can win.  Haley Barbour needs to not waste anyone's time exploring anything.  Pawlenty might be a good choice but, again, I wonder if he can handle the goons on the left.  Amazing that so much of a major political party is comprised of thugs, isn't it?

My little guy was doing an essay on President Washington's farewell address and I was amazed at how prescient he actually was.  Totally spot-on in warning about debt and political parties.  Politically incorrect as it may be, it's breathtaking to compare a man like Washington with the current, very small, occupant of the White House.  How did we get from there to here?

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I like Paul Ryan.  He seems sensible and has a clue. 

I won't vote for Gingrich for President.


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I'm a great admirer of Gingrich's ideas and enjoy his persona, but I don't think he would be a good candidate.  I'm not sure we do have a good candidate at this point, which is a shame because I'm coming around to the belief that Obama is the worst president in American history.  I like Paul Ryan and Chris Christie a lot, but I'm not sure Obama will be beaten.  The machine has too much of a vested interest and, besides, voting against him is racist.  Who wants to be racist?

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I can not see how anyone can take him seriously, not with a history and excuses like this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/8374272/Newt-Gingrich-my-love-for-USA-contributed-to-my-affairs.html

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Neither will Romney, though he'll probably receive a good bit of early support.

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I really wish Newt Gingrich wouldn't run for president. 

But, it doesn't matter, he'll never win.

I'm an independent and I like both Christie and Ryan, for different reasons.  I like, also, the governor of Indiana, Daniels, as well. 

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IMPO, I can't see anyone beating Obama in 12. To me 12 will be like Clinton against Dole.
I agree in the sense that Dole, or any lookalike nominated only because it's "their turn", couldn't beat O.

Christie or Ryan, on the other hand, don't look anything like Dole and I can't really see the Butt Kicker-in-Chief doing very well against either of them.


-- Edited by catahoula on Thursday 3rd of March 2011 06:41:15 PM

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Don't know much about Gov Gary Johnson, he might be interesting. Gingrich has zero chance. My money's on Paul Ryan.

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"I hope not, too. If anyone's going to intervene militarily to overthrow Gaddafi, let it be another Arab country in North Africa -- specifically, Egypt. Their military is certainly big enough."

It could be helpful if another Arab country would step in. But it seems to be very unlikely that any Arab country would step into a situation like that to help out for humanitarian reasons. Perhaps to take advantage of a weakened state for their natural resources or expand their territories, but unlikely that any leadership in that area of the world cares about humanitarian issues....except Israel, and God help them if they try to get involved.

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As far as running for president, his nickname says it all.

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The deficit is the most important problem facing America hands down. If the path we are on is not fixed soon, the future of our country is in jeopardy. Newt worked with Democrats and caused a balanced budget. He is the only one who has done that.

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Except for the deficit thing, he sounds like a Democrat.

Maybe he is just what the country needs.

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IMPO, I can't see anyone beating Obama in 12. To me 12 will be like Clinton against Dole.


What about former Governor Gary Johnson?  He's starting to be better known.  He doesn't seem to be hypocritical - a fault that most republicans have in droves.  He would do a lot of things that no other republican would dare - cut the deficit by ending the wars in the middle east, end the war on drugs and legalize drugs, leave abortion alone.  When he says a less instrusive government, that's what he means.

 



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I hope not, too.  If anyone's going to intervene militarily to overthrow Gaddafi, let it be another Arab country in North Africa -- specifically, Egypt.  Their military is certainly big enough.  Not the U.S. or any European country, or even the UN.

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Gingrich is only floating this to make others step up to the plate.

IMPO, I can't see anyone beating Obama in 12. To me 12 will be like Clinton against Dole.

Caveat: If we have now a 3rd front, Libya and that area, Obama can be hurt. I hope to G*d that will never be an issue.



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http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2011/02/26/the-newt-gingrich-fan-dance/

Oh the hypocrisy, the hypocrisy!

The man is fingernails on the blackboard of politics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_dog_Democrat

With respect to this one candidate, I am indeed a "yellow dog Democrat".

Nominate Romney, Christie, Huckabee, well almost anyone else and I would give them serious consideration.

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