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BigG · Guru

RE: Obama Regime Grants Another 500 ObamaCare Waivers, Triple the Original Number

poetgrl · Senior Member

hayden wrote:

Seems to me the remedy to the judge's objection is to create the public option, not to do away with the rest of the bill.

This whole thing would have been better if Republicans had negotiated in good faith, instead of screaming about non existent death panels.

I believe the absolute only way to bring down costs and to have national health insurance is to have a public option.

That said, creating a public "option" does nothing to make the mandate go away....They actually have nothing to do with one another. The insurance companies can't afford to insure everyone who applies, let alone cover everyone who gets sick, unless those who are young and healthy buy insurance.

The bill is a complete and total mess. The Republicans have to take a certain amount of responsibility for this. But the majority of the 'blame' lies at the feet of the democrats. It was their "baby" and their legislation, and they made deal after deal with the devil, AND they continue to do so.

Niether party acted in good faith, but then, what politicians do?

-- Edited by poetgrl on Tuesday 1st of February 2011 06:24:19 AM

geeps20 · Senior Member

^sure hayden, dems controlled everything, yet it's the Reps fault. The simple fact is the dems wanted to pass any health care bill at any cost and passed a crappy bill and jammed it down our throats. But if it makes you feel better to blame the Reps for YOUR party's bill...go for it.

hayden · Senior Member

Seems to me the remedy to the judge's objection is to create the public option, not to do away with the rest of the bill.

This whole thing would have been better if Republicans had negotiated in good faith, instead of screaming about non existent death panels.

Cardinal Fang · Senior Member

People guess about what Kennedy thinks, but nobody knows.

poetgrl · Senior Member

Do we have any indication what he thinks?

Cardinal Fang · Senior Member

It doesn't matter what some random federal judge thinks. It only matters what Anthony Kennedy thinks.

CelticClan07 · Senior Member

2,000 pages and finally someone read it and saw the light. PBO, Reid and Pelosi did indeed cram this unwanted, unconstitutional piece of legislation down the throats of the American people. But I'm willing to bet, the enormous cost per month increases that occurred as a direct result of the HCB, for many families, including ours, will not be rolled back........ever. Thanks guys, thanks alot.

-- Edited by CelticClan07 on Monday 31st of January 2011 06:22:40 PM

poetgrl · Senior Member

I don't know. So far it's 2-2 on the federal judges. And nobody has put an injunction against the law going forward. It'll be up to the supreme court, in the end.

It's stupid too.

If they'd just made a tax, with a tax credit for purchasing the insurance? this never would have happened.

I understand the judge who called it unconstitutional today actually used Obama's own words from the Primary when he came out against this mandate, which HIllary was for, during the debates.

I guess he said it was like trying to solve homelessness by mandating that everyone buy a house. blankstare

-- Edited by poetgrl on Monday 31st of January 2011 05:05:50 PM

-- Edited by poetgrl on Monday 31st of January 2011 05:06:28 PM

geeps20 · Senior Member

probalby a mute point as the law is unconstitutional..being saying it from day 1

poetgrl · Senior Member

Cartera- Either it is a good law and NOBODY gets a waiver, or it is not.

I do not like in any way, shape or form a system which allows one group to opt out while others must participate. There is no way this will not lead to abuses and it is not something that should be in the hands of appointed officials.

No matter what this always leads to corruption. Maybe not today, but tomorrow.

-- Edited by poetgrl on Monday 31st of January 2011 04:39:46 PM

Cartera · Guru

poetgrl - I can't see why you say it is corrupt to grant the waivers. Not granting them would result in thousands losing health insurance so the waivers are a remedy to that. If waivers are going to be granted to those who offer mini med plans, then they have to be offered to all who offer them and apply - including unions. If there were any evidence that the waivers were granted to only those to whom some favor is owed, then I'd agree about corruption. There is not one iota of evidence to suggest this though. A look at the list just doesn't support corruption.

busdriver11 · Guru

There aren't any ugly dogs on this forum, thank you very much! Especially on this thread.

Them is fightin words, BigG....

poetgrl · Senior Member

Cartera wrote:

You also have to look further than the Washington Times incredibly biased coverage. There are unions on the list, but there are many more companies to whom the Obama administration clearly owes nothing. The list is public - no need to rely on rag reporting.

Which is why I said "except" this. But, and this is my point, (Keep in mind I fundraised for this guy and I campaigned for him and I voted for him), you cannot campaign on "cleaning up washington" and come back to me with this kind of B.S. and ask me to swallow it whole and say "thank you very much."

I'm sick of corruption on both sides of the aisle. It's my pet peeve.

BigG · Guru

It is patently obvious to the meanest intelligence that President O. is a corrupt toady.

And your Mom's gym socks stink, your dog is ugly, and your car isn't cool.

Cartera · Guru

You also have to look further than the Washington Times incredibly biased coverage. There are unions on the list, but there are many more companies to whom the Obama administration clearly owes nothing. The list is public - no need to rely on rag reporting.

BigG · Guru

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"

busdriver11 · Guru

Kind of sickening, isn't it?

poetgrl · Senior Member

Cartera wrote:

If you take the time to look at the list, you'll see some very "uncronylike" names on it.

Except for this. [url/]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jan/28/tawdry-details-of-obamacare-420960137/

From the article:

Last year, we learned that the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) had granted 111 waivers to protect a lucky few from the onerous regulations of the new national health care overhaul. That number quickly and quietly climbed to 222, and last week we learned that the number of Obamacare privileged escapes has skyrocketed to 733.

Among the fortunate is a who’s who list of unions, businesses and even several cities and four states (Massachusetts, New Jersey, Ohio and Tennessee) but none of the friends of Barack feature as prominently as the Service Employees International Union (SEIU).

How can you get your own free pass from Obamacare? Maybe you can just donate $27 million to President Obama‘s campaign efforts. That’s what Andy Stern did as president of SEIU in 2008. He has been the most frequent guest at Mr. Obama‘s White House.

Backroom deals have become par for the course for proponents of Obamacare. Senators were greased with special favors, like Nebraska Democratic Sen. Ben Nelson and his Cornhusker Kickback and Louisiana Democrat Sen. Mary L. Landrieu and her Louisiana Purchase. Even the American Medical Association was brought in line under threat of losing its exclusive and lucrative medical coding contracts with the government

-- Edited by poetgrl on Monday 31st of January 2011 12:07:39 PM

Cartera · Guru

If you take the time to look at the list, you'll see some very "uncronylike" names on it.

poetgrl · Senior Member

Nope, he's not repealing the law.

he's just using it as one more place where our government can grant, Most Favored Company status to those who donate a lot of money and lobby heavily while leaving the average company owner to carry the water. Crony capitalism, yet again.

BigG · Guru

Judgeing from my, admittedly temporally distant, EPA interactions, nothing is as permanent as a Federal waiver. They just get renewed and renewed and renewed...

We have become a society of exceptions and exclusions. There always seems to be a way for the well connected to "weasel out" of everything from simple honesty in business dealings to compliance with Federal law.

Cardinal Fang · Senior Member

Waivers are temporary, so no, he's not repealing the law.

BigG · Guru

So basically President O. is repealing health insurance reform piecemeal?

That's the way I wanted health care reform implemented instead of the huge indigestible, incomprehensible, and marginally effective behemoth we got.

Continuous, evolutionary change in steady small reversible steps is the way to move society forward. Quantum changes in social institutions are bad, very bad.

geeps20 · Senior Member

...2.1 million people..what a joke