Jordcin..I stated many people in rural areas own guns for hunting..You came back with that they live in the "middle of nowhere".. I replied how that was incorrect in that many rural areas are not very far from cities. That is all.
...and I don't think many gun owners are afraid of the boogieman, they just want to be prepared if the worst case scenario occurred.(and the color of the criminal is not an issue at all)
I find it interesting how the far left tries to perceive how the vast majority of Americans think, and get it so wrong. Moore and the other far left loons have no idea how I see things, they are 100% wrong.
^right, robberies only occur in the inner cities. You are also naive..I live in a rural area that happens to be 1 hour from Boston and 15 minute from a 100,000 population city. It appears you think it's either inner city or hicks on farms.
I'm not talking about people who live in rural areas outside of cities. I'm talking about people who live in areas that are nowhere near anyone else. Farms miles from each other, etc.
We are always at risk of something happening to us, but the fear can get out of hand.
Geeps you don't even live that far away from me. I'm surprised that you admit living anywhere near Boston, the hub of liberalism.
My oldest son lives in the worst section of Providence. His apartment was broken into once but thieves usually like an empty house, so no one was home. If he had had a gun it probably would have been stolen.
My son's "ghetto" neighborhood is filled with families and people living their lives. A lot of poor people just getting by. They aren't the ones listening to Sarah Palin and others telling them to be fearful of the boogieman. They aren't the ones getting guns. I agree with Michael Moore. It's scared white America, the ones that need the guns the least that buy them.
I live in one of those nice suburbs with high achieving students of all colors. Good property values, too. Crimes that happen tend to be the opportunistic kind. (Like most crimes.)
And I was nearly carjacked, and my husband was mugged. Not at home. Honestly, I don't recall the details of their skin color or ethnicity. I simply remember being nearly a victim, and fortunately the mugger who attacked my husband (at his job) didn't kill him. If he had, I would have been a young widow with one toddler and a baby on the way.
In my neighborhood, the last three murders of people I knew of happened not with a gun, but with a knife. We aren't known for murders, but two out of three of them happened from people the victims knew and trusted. The other one was a home invasion.
The boogieman may not exist in your world, but the boogieman does exist. It is usually when you aren't expecting it, and the idea of being a victim may change your worldview. It did mine.
Bad **** happens everywhere.
-- Edited by SamuraiLandshark on Thursday 20th of January 2011 08:07:24 PM
Hindoo wrote:So did Sean Hannity. And my local ultra-right-wing radio talking-head, who, if anything, is meaner than ever. Civility just may not be in the cards for America, eh?
The difference has been that the vast majority of calls for civility are coming from the left aisle.
-- Edited by Abyss on Thursday 20th of January 2011 06:35:09 PM
^right, robberies only occur in the inner cities. You are also naive..I live in a rural area that happens to be 1 hour from Boston and 15 minute from a 100,000 population city. It appears you think it's either inner city or hicks on farms.
-- Edited by geeps20 on Thursday 20th of January 2011 06:18:43 PM
-- Edited by geeps20 on Thursday 20th of January 2011 06:20:59 PM
^ you are assuming a lot...just like Moore...and you are wrong IMO...People who want to protect themselves from a home invasion are not concerned with the color of the invader....just that someone is in their home.
Also, many people in rural areas own guns for hunting, home protection is a bonus.
People who own guns for home protection are racists according to Moore.... because to paraphrase....the imaginary person that is going to break into our homes and kill us is of color...
People are usually afraid of the unknown. A lot of people in the midwest live in homogenous communities. They only know "their own kind." Therefore when they imagine a killer, it's probably someone of a different race, someone that looks different from them.
People need to stop being so afraid of everything. Especially those rural and suburban people with the most guns.
I live in a state that has one of the lowest percentage of gunowners in the country. (except the criminals, yea yea). I've never even seen a gun. I've lived in the suburbs and city. I've never lived in a house that locked its door at night.
Or you can look at both extremes, split the difference and get a much more even picture about what the vast majority, or the hump in the bell curve, believes.
"I guess Moore missed the post-Gifford shooting memo instructing us all to be civil."
So did Sean Hannity. And my local ultra-right-wing radio talking-head, who, if anything, is meaner than ever. Civility just may not be in the cards for America, eh?
Here's the case of the robbery in the far suburbs preying on people of non-color by people of non-color. As an aside, the officer was killed with gun owned by the home owner. The criminal was not originally armed.
I guess Moore missed the post-Gifford shooting memo instructing us all to be civil.
Oh right, nevermind, only conservatives are supposed to be civil. Democrats can call upwards of 25% of the US population racists with nary a peep of criticism.
Notice how none of the standard liberal guilt patrol seems to mention anything.
-- Edited by Abyss on Wednesday 19th of January 2011 09:08:45 PM
What Moore said was perfectly true. When people imagine an attacker, they don't imagine freckle-faced Jimmy from down the block. They imagine someone not like them.
So those black gunowners are racist against white robbers. I see, good analysis.
I'm glad Michael Moore admitted that "the majority, the vast majority of guns are owned by people live in safe parts of towns, or mostly suburbs and rural areas. Places where there's a very low murder rate."
That's exactly the kind of place I want to live and raise my family...a safe community with a very low murder rate. These gun owners are not committing crimes evidently, because their communities are the by far the safest in the country, according to Michael Moore. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Touche, Artemis!
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I'd be willing to bet a good chunk of change that M. Moore has either a gun or bodyguard protecting his corpulent bod 24/7. I remember reading Moore when he had a local rag in Michigan...right before his disastrous venture with Mother Jones --in some ways it was kind of fun at a local level. Like too many megalomaniac liberals, he never played well with others. He needed to be a chief, not an Indian. But as the years went by, Michael never matured, he just grew and grew, moore and more.
His objection seems to be to the little people that he condescends to having the same confidence and security that he enjoys as one of the --I want to say beautiful people without sarcasm, but I cannot --celebrity, then.
Maybe you have it backward. Perhaps the criminal types know that there's a real likelihood of picking a victim who is packing, don't want the risk and so prey elsewhere.
I'm glad Michael Moore admitted that "the majority, the vast majority of guns are owned by people live in safe parts of towns, or mostly suburbs and rural areas. Places where there's a very low murder rate."
That's exactly the kind of place I want to live and raise my family...a safe community with a very low murder rate. These gun owners are not committing crimes evidently, because their communities are the by far the safest in the country, according to Michael Moore.
What Moore said was perfectly true. When people imagine an attacker, they don't imagine freckle-faced Jimmy from down the block. They imagine someone not like them.
It was in no way perfectly true..and you are dodging the issue.
He specifically said people of color ..I imagine a thief as someone of any color...maybe people with racists tendencies think differently.
I certainly do not imagine being robbed by someone like me; but then, I am not a criminal. However, I'll bet that some criminal out there has a very easy time imagining someone like him breaking into his house and robbing him if he gave it much thought.
What do you think?
I can imagine someone like me making a bookcase, or taking his kid to a hockey game, but I do not necessarily imagine someone like me stealing from me or harming my family.
If you are black does that mean you imagine someone not black breaking into your house or do black people with guns have racist thoughts against other black people?
Personally, I always assume that if my home were broken into, the person would be Italian American since that's generally the case in my area. Wait. That does prove Michael Moore's case because I'm not Italian American. But my husband is. Yeah. It's definitely anti-husband bias.
What Moore said was perfectly true. When people imagine an attacker, they don't imagine freckle-faced Jimmy from down the block. They imagine someone not like them.
lot of truth in what?..that someone who owns a gun for home protection is afraid of a black man sneaking into their home. Are you serious??..Come on....the only people who actually believe that crap are racists themselves.
First of all, people do break into other people's homes...it's not imaginary Mr. Moore. The fear and need for protection has nothing to do with skin color. it's the idea of someone, anyone entering your home. Some will be prepared, some will not.
-- Edited by geeps20 on Wednesday 19th of January 2011 06:21:51 AM
People who own guns for home protection are racists according to Moore.... because to paraphrase....the imaginary person that is going to break into our homes and kill us is of color...
-- Edited by geeps20 on Tuesday 18th of January 2011 07:07:49 PM
